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[11:58:45] <daraknor> Silly question I know, and I'm sure you guys have covered it. Why aren't you implementing your entity layer in CEL?
[12:01:11] <sueastside> Well for 1, we want the entity implementation to be common, and we're not using CEL serverside....
[12:07:28] <daraknor> a common system completely makes sense. I don't completely understand the aversion to CEL serverside, even though it is a common choice.
[12:07:53] <daraknor> I'm guessing it is overhead and simply not needing so many features
[12:08:53] <daraknor> One thing I still want to research is the ability to run pieces of CS and CEL to make it suitable server side. Like no rendering in CS and only certain entity actions in CEL.
[12:09:22] <sueastside> if we wanted to use CEL, we need to use CS aswell, and thats overhead aswell harder to make threaded, etc...
[12:20:30] <thebolt> Hi guys
[12:21:05] <sueastside> hey thebolt
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[12:34:52] <daraknor> greetings.
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[12:35:51] <daraknor> Hmm.. I need to study/think/learn a lot more about the guts of each system before I feel even moderately informed about this topic.
[12:36:55] <daraknor> thanks for your answers sueastside. I wonder at how much code is duplicated :/ A deeper question is how much code is necessary to write vs how much code should be written.
[12:37:52] <daraknor> Having a separate entity system with low level controls is very compelling, but that is my gut talking and not my head.
[12:38:03] <sueastside> hey genjix caedes
[12:38:16] <genjix> hello sueastside.
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[17:56:48] <brainless_> hi
[17:58:08] <thebolt> hi
[17:58:44] <brainless_> how are you?
[17:59:56] <thebolt> just fine, and you?
[18:00:24] <brainless_> I'm good
[18:00:45] <brainless_> I just got an email from someone inviting me (or probably one of the projects I work on) to join the BuildAWorld consortium
[18:00:50] <brainless_> so I thought I'd check out the members :)
[18:01:20] <CyaNox> we are members of the peragro team ... not a BuildAWorld consortium
[18:01:51] <brainless_> I know, but according to the BuildAWorld website, peragro is a member of the BuildAWorld consortium
[18:01:57] <brainless_> or is that not correct?
[18:02:07] <CyaNox> that is indeed not correct
[18:02:31] <CyaNox> we have not decided nor agreed on anything yet related to BuildAWorld
[18:02:36] <brainless_> ah, my appologies, I must have misinterpreted it
[18:02:53] <thebolt> no problem, you are still welcome here :)
[18:02:58] <brainless_> hehe, good
[18:02:58] <CyaNox> indeed
[18:03:10] <thebolt> ;)
[18:05:17] <brainless_> so how far is your engine? is it useable yet?
[18:06:19] <CyaNox> depends on how you define useable.
[18:07:16] <brainless_> alright, what can it do? hehe
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[20:02:39] <sueastside> am i me?
[20:02:43] <sueastside> good...
[20:03:50] <josePhoenix> good, good
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[21:57:00] <CyaNox> WOW ... I've seen firefox use a lot of ram ... but ... 1.5GIGABYTE OF RAM ... awsome
[21:58:09] <josePhoenix> \o/
[21:58:35] <CyaNox> (Thats phisical ram ... the swapped out ram that its using is about the same)
[21:58:39] <genjix> stop lying. firefox wouldn't use that much.
[21:59:04] <CyaNox> yes it would
[22:00:04] <CyaNox> lol ... my imaging software is having a fight for ram with firefox ... :p
[22:01:57] <CyaNox> http://cyanox.nl/ff.png
[22:04:57] <CyaNox> so genjix ... you see yet again I am not lying ... :D
[22:05:34] <genjix> I don't believe you- faked!
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[22:07:00] <CyaNox> genjix: well then you try browsing http://syllienachtvlindertje.nl/ with memory caching enabled (default).
[22:07:41] <genjix> seems fine on linux tbh... :)
[22:08:03] <CyaNox> havent tried on linux yet ... :p
[22:08:14] <CyaNox> don't have a linux box with that much ram either ... :p
[22:08:30] <genjix> ah no, I see it too.
[22:08:44] <CyaNox> owh and genjix you will notice it when you've loaded up quite a bit of pages
[22:08:56] <CyaNox> that site is horribly bad designed
[22:08:59] <genjix> ah no, I actually don't was reading the numbers wrong.
[22:09:51] <genjix> 500mb != 5gb
[22:10:30] <genjix> firefox is using 174,428 whatever
[22:10:41] <genjix> but I believe you anyway, was joking ;)
[22:20:43] <genjix> cya
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[22:43:09] <CyaNox> hi PT_ano-usr
[22:45:36] <PT_ano-usr> Hello!
[22:45:48] <CyaNox> Wazzup!
[22:46:13] <PT_ano-usr> just curious about your project ;)
[22:47:07] <CyaNox> thats good.
[22:48:17] <PT_ano-usr> looks interesting. i was an uox developer in 1998-2000
[22:48:53] <PT_ano-usr> it was an emu for ultima online
[22:48:55] <CyaNox> uox?
[22:48:57] <PT_ano-usr> maybe you know it
[22:49:02] <sueastside> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UOX
[22:49:14] <sueastside> ultima offline experiment
[22:49:27] <sueastside> the X makes it sound cool...
[22:49:46] <PT_ano-usr> hehe
[22:50:24] <sueastside> and plz do ./nick yournick
[22:50:32] <PT_ano-usr> ./nick bugtoo
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[22:50:39] <sueastside> without the . :)
[22:50:44] <bugtoo> yep, sorry ;)
[22:51:47] <bugtoo> basically, i own a telco company in north italy and as hobby i was developing a game with some friends long time ago
[22:52:08] <bugtoo> we did choose uo and uox as base because art and client were ready ;)
[22:52:31] <bugtoo> but anyway, it has never been finished
[22:53:06] <sueastside> well we have a couple of artist here, if you like to worry about the code :)
[22:53:39] <bugtoo> hehe i lack the time to do that, i was only putting money on the project at that time - hardware and hosting basically
[22:55:21] <bugtoo> so, what's the status of your project? =)
[22:55:46] <CyaNox> active
[22:55:54] <CyaNox> :p
[22:56:57] <bugtoo> cool
[22:57:13] <thebolt> somewhat ;)
[22:57:46] <bugtoo> is it already usable?
[22:57:53] <sueastside> im very active, but i usually keep updates to myself :)
[22:57:55] <thebolt> define usable
[22:57:57] <thebolt> sueastside: :)
[22:58:09] <bugtoo> good question
[22:58:33] <CyaNox> thebolt: thats the second time the same events ocur within a small time ... :p
[22:58:51] <thebolt> CyaNox: yea ;)
[22:58:59] <sueastside> thebolt: no, im serious... i got my secret projects :)
[22:59:34] <thebolt> sueastside: :( :P
[22:59:36] <bugtoo> i guess i'm not the only one that asked this question recently, uh?
[22:59:52] <sueastside> [18:11:54] so how far is your engine? is it useable yet?
[23:00:11] <bugtoo> hehe cool, but mine is just curiosity
[23:00:24] <bugtoo> i've been playing sometime with worldforge, do you know it?
[23:00:29] <sueastside> yes
[23:00:46] <sueastside> well if its just curiosity, look at the screenies :)
[23:01:02] <bugtoo> already did and curiosity increased ;)
[23:02:45] <sueastside> then heres another one http://hellemans.cyanox.nl/hell/screenshots/keep/keepsolid.JPG
[23:03:12] <bugtoo> cool, a citadel?
[23:03:55] <sueastside> yeah
[23:04:10] <bugtoo> it's wonderful! who made that?
[23:04:22] <sueastside> its what you see in the screenshots on the site, but this shows how big it actually is :)
[23:04:26] <sueastside> me
[23:05:01] <bugtoo> i remember we were adding 2d pcitures and sprites to UO mul's back in 1999 (3d was still and early stages for rpg)
[23:05:12] <sueastside> heh
[23:05:48] <bugtoo> i tried to use blender but i'm not good at it. i guess i lack the basics ;)
[23:06:19] <bugtoo> where are you from?
[23:06:25] <sueastside> blender takes a while, but once you grasp the G S R E its soo fluent...
[23:06:37] <sueastside> a magic place called belgium
[23:06:58] <sueastside> +al
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[23:07:19] <bugtoo> all of you?
[23:07:20] <CyaNox> sueastside: your becoming repetative
[23:07:27] <sueastside> CyaNox: heh :D
[23:07:46] <thebolt> bugtoo: nah, only sueastside is from belgium :)
[23:07:47] <CyaNox> no I'm from the pwning netherlands!
[23:07:54] <sueastside> no we got those stinking dutch aswell
[23:08:09] <bugtoo> hehehe =)
[23:08:10] sueastside was kicked by CyaNox: Your forgetting pwning ... :p
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[23:08:32] <sueastside> CyaNox: sorry, stinking pwning hollanders
[23:09:11] * CyaNox looks satisfactory down on the small jelle hellemans ... :D
[23:09:11] <bugtoo> how old are you guys?
[23:09:15] <CyaNox> 13
[23:09:19] <CyaNox> sueastside: is 12
[23:09:24] <sueastside> +10
[23:09:31] <CyaNox> thebolt 12.5
[23:10:04] <bugtoo> i'm 12 as well (+10)
[23:10:09] * sueastside chops off CyaNox's legs and looks down on Mark
[23:10:17] <sueastside> go go 85!!
[23:10:30] <bugtoo> yeah ;)
[23:10:37] <thebolt> bah, younglings ;)
[23:11:00] <CyaNox> hey I'm older then you thebolt !!! ... :D
[23:11:04] <sueastside> thebolt: one day ill be older then you!
[23:11:14] <sueastside> and youll be dead
[23:11:28] <thebolt> CyaNox: yea, ment bugtoo an sueastside ;)
[23:11:32] <thebolt> sueastside: not neccesarily
[23:11:50] <CyaNox> thebolt: Ah those ... ok they are indeed younlings
[23:12:08] <sueastside> well i can die before i reach your age, but thats unlikely as i never leave my house...
[23:12:27] <thebolt> average life expectancy for sweden is 80.5 years, for belgium 78.7 7
[23:12:30] <thebolt> -7
[23:12:46] <bugtoo> you'll never know.. a plane engine might fall on your bedroom while you're asleep ;)
[23:12:50] <CyaNox> you do know that belgium will dissapear in a catastrofic earthquake in about 2 years?
[23:12:59] <sueastside> yeah but thats because youre all soo femine!
[23:13:19] <sueastside> bugtoo: stop watching donnie darko!
[23:13:20] <thebolt> CyaNox: just as netherlands will be subject to massive flooding? :)
[23:13:23] <CyaNox> your the one with long hair sueastside !
[23:13:32] <CyaNox> thebolt: yup
[23:13:47] <sueastside> CyaNox: and thebolt as breasts!
[23:13:48] <CyaNox> I never said I would one day be older then any of you ... :p
[23:13:54] <sueastside> +h
[23:14:28] <sueastside> yeah youll die young, you pitiful smoker :P
[23:14:36] <CyaNox> soooo ... bugtoo how is your first impression?
[23:14:56] <CyaNox> sueastside: Atleast I enjoy life!
[23:14:57] <sueastside> he must think were a bunch of idiots by now...
[23:15:12] <CyaNox> well arent we?
[23:15:17] <bugtoo> it's fascinating!
[23:15:23] <sueastside> i thought we were misfits?
[23:15:29] <CyaNox> that too
[23:16:10] <sueastside> well i dont have a banjo, so im not an idiot...
[23:16:21] <bugtoo> so, who is the girl on the home page? is that a real tattoo or photoshop? ;)
[23:16:27] <sueastside> real
[23:16:46] <CyaNox> its real ... and its the wife of induena
[23:16:46] <bugtoo> did it hurt?
[23:17:09] <sueastside> induane
[23:17:28] <bugtoo> who is induane?
[23:17:40] <sueastside> another artist...
[23:17:44] * thebolt thinks it is skin-paint, not tattoo ;)
[23:17:47] <CyaNox> some idiotic misfit
[23:17:57] <sueastside> must be tight to the bed again as he isnt online...
[23:18:47] <bugtoo> what happend if in the future the project name changes? ;)
[23:19:10] <sueastside> hell get a divorce, and find someone new....
[23:19:20] <CyaNox> yeah
[23:19:44] <CyaNox> or he will paint some other side of her
[23:19:47] <bugtoo> is it easier than to use skinpaint?? ;)
[23:20:04] <sueastside> not easier, but less expensive....
[23:21:39] <bugtoo> is she involved in the project in any way? because if it really is a tattoo, i guess she's the only girl that accepted it
[23:21:42] <bugtoo> ;)
[23:22:02] <bugtoo> at least, my girlfriend would never do it
[23:22:34] <brainless_> it appears to me there are many dutch people in the game development world :P
[23:22:40] <sueastside> well she nags induane a lot, so he "works" for 12hours at his company were he models for PT
[23:22:54] <sueastside> brainless_: im not dutch!
[23:23:11] <CyaNox> you do speak dutch!
[23:23:28] <sueastside> NOOOOOOO its flemish
[23:23:47] <CyaNox> yeah a strange dialect of dutch ... :D
[23:24:03] <CyaNox> anyway the only two really dutch people here are me and Japje
[23:24:05] <brainless_> sueastside: we dutch are quick to aquire new people into our country... you're dutch now :P
[23:24:11] <CyaNox> and Japje is not helping PT.
[23:24:13] * brainless_ raises hand ;)
[23:24:16] <CyaNox> just spying
[23:24:32] <bugtoo> sueastside: i don't understand, he works for what?
[23:24:52] <CyaNox> bugtoo: (He's a pimp)
[23:25:00] <sueastside> bugtoo: he pretends to work to get away from the nagging....
[23:25:20] <sueastside> and in that time he models for PT
[23:25:34] <CyaNox> bugtoo: (problematic imature male pimp)
[23:25:42] <bugtoo> and then when he's not working he paints his wife? =)
[23:26:16] <sueastside> better then doing the dishes...
[23:27:16] <bugtoo> oh i see
[23:27:39] <bugtoo> but i don't get why he got married then
[23:28:14] <sueastside> it was a shotgun marriage, she got pregnant...
[23:28:57] <sueastside> CyaNox: idiots :/
[23:29:12] * thebolt thinks one shouldn't always believe what sueastside (or for that matter CyaNox ) says ;)
[23:29:38] <sueastside> thebolt: you dont know halve of it, youre not in cs-arts :)
[23:29:40] <bugtoo> does he also paint his child? ;)
[23:29:53] <sueastside> not sure, ill ask...
[23:30:11] <bugtoo> how old was her when she got pregnant?
[23:30:42] <CyaNox> 11
[23:30:42] <sueastside> from liliane's age id guest 18-19
[23:33:28] <bugtoo> so what do you do for living?
[23:34:54] <sueastside> We sell Commando O O O's a cereal, mostly made out of sugar and bone powder....
[23:35:48] <bugtoo> i dindn't get it :)
[23:37:39] <sueastside> not my fault you dont have a sense of what ya call it.....
[23:40:20] <bugtoo> time to go for me!
[23:41:03] <bugtoo> would you tell me something more about the project next time? =)
[23:43:15] <sueastside> well certainly try!
[23:43:17] <sueastside> night
[23:43:40] <bugtoo> good night everyone
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[23:50:50] <sueastside> night
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