[00:00:06] <Tuxide> Because he's been votestacking using open proxies for like a year now on both of those sites
[00:01:19] <Tuxide> Well if he isn't then would you mind doing me a small favor and respond to him so least I can be convinced he's not from PT?
[00:02:25] <sueastside> Tuxide: we have no itent to troll any forums, we're not some 'freedom fighter' organization.
[00:02:45] <sueastside> if it makes you feel better, link....
[00:02:59] <Tuxide> http://www.happypenguin.org/show?PlaneShift
[00:03:08] <Tuxide> Hold on
[00:03:15] <Tuxide> http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/30/view/forums/post/2398793
[00:03:33] <Tuxide> Remember back when I accused Kordo of being from PT?
[00:04:14] <Mononoke> Tuxide: belive me PS has people who realy hate it and not around here
[00:05:07] <Tuxide> The thing is I want to take what I said back now, but I want to be convinced first
[00:06:25] <Mononoke> I think none here does it or has reason to do it, who would care about PS if he has PT ? :)
[00:06:41] <Tuxide> Kordo and Mnemonic1 are obviously the same person, they both use open proxies on tLGT
[00:06:56] <Thourm> well, other than the fact that I don't have it, and since I can't get it I'm still playing PS :P
[00:07:04] * Thourm wants PT on his Mac :(
[00:07:12] <Tuxide> I'm thinking this guy might be from Battle of Wesnoth
[00:07:38] <Mononoke> Tuxide: I don't need to know who or from where he is
[00:07:43] <sueastside> Tuxide: what makes you think he's even from another project?
[00:08:02] <Mononoke> Thourm: I'll get my fingers on mac soon so I might try to work with it
[00:08:33] <Thourm> Rolenun has been doing stuff..
[00:08:41] <Tuxide> Well because he's passionate as hell, people don't normally do stuff like this unless he's a competitor
[00:08:43] <Thourm> he said he was completely rewriting the jamfile for cegui
[00:09:04] <Tuxide> and he's definitely not Zanzibar
[00:09:18] <Thourm> he has ssh access to my machine (which I'll give to people on the PT team if they need it)
[00:09:33] <swedishcoder> Tuxide: well I dont think anyone from PT team made that post
[00:09:56] <swedishcoder> Thourm: I might accept that so I can help, but not tonight its after midnight already
[00:10:11] <Thourm> ok that's cool
[00:10:15] <Tuxide> It's not that he makes posts like that which bothers me, it's that he makes throwaway accounts to votestack that does
[00:10:56] <Tuxide> and that he's been doing that for a year
[00:12:52] <swedishcoder> night
[00:13:00] <Thourm> 'night swedishcoder
[00:13:29] <swedishcoder> Tuxide: once again, I don't think its a PT member, but I can't promise since I don't know everyone that well.
[00:13:48] <Thourm> only someone with a chip on their shoulder would act like that
[00:14:08] <Tuxide> Well you are entitled to your own opinion, all I want is for someone here to post theirs
[00:14:56] <Tuxide> so least I don't try to slap Induane next time I see him
[00:16:37] <Mononoke> Slap him!
[00:16:47] <Mononoke> slap him anyway
[00:16:52] <sueastside> slap him and i'll slap you!
[00:16:56] <Tuxide> I already did that in response to the SA thing
[00:17:21] <swedishcoder> Tuxide: my opinion about spamming or my opinion about PS. Personally I loged in once on the PS server like 6 years ago or so, thats about it. So don't have any opinion at all
[00:17:52] <Tuxide> http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=33367.msg384315#msg384315
[00:18:20] <Tuxide> I say your opinion on the post
[00:19:04] <Mononoke> that it was you who gave it to talad and made "thing" from it
[00:19:14] <swedishcoder> Tuxide: personally I think its just as bad to make a post having people come into this chat room just to slap someone
[00:19:14] <Mononoke> it was fun here for people here not for any other eyes
[00:19:39] <swedishcoder> but I don't have time to discuss now, need to sleep, cya
[00:20:25] <Tuxide> Read the OP when you have time, Induane was totally asking for it :P
[00:22:39] <Tuxide> and if he isn't from PT then I don't want him doing this to you guys either. I mean people will, but this has been going on for an insanely long time
[00:23:07] <Tuxide> I didn't even know what the hell PT was when I first saw this guy
[00:24:21] <sueastside> Tuxide: Only way to stop such people is to go work on your game and stop nagging about it.
[00:24:54] * Mononoke agrees with sueastside
[00:25:26] <sueastside> Only reason they do it is because they know it pisses you off.
[00:25:28] <Tuxide> I don't work for PS
[00:26:13] <sueastside> what kinda answer is that? are you or aren't you part of the PS community?
[00:27:22] <Tuxide> I'm a fan but I've never signed the NDA. If I did I probably wouldn't be wasting my time on such websites
[00:28:02] <Tuxide> You're saying he trolls because he's \b\tarded and he just wants some lulz
[00:28:09] <sueastside> so instead of doing something productive you're chasing ghosts?
[00:28:19] <recon61> Tuxide: -> think you get the general feeling -> "wasting my time on such websites"
[00:29:04] * Mononoke wonders about pulling "fail" flag but thinks it's not a good time
[00:29:34] <Tuxide> I'm not entitled to do anything productive, also my primary concern is that I don't want Talad going back to that website
[00:29:39] <Thourm> there's an NDA for PS??
[00:30:26] <Tuxide> If I don't go there then Talad will probably return because he's dumb enough to
[00:30:30] <Mononoke> Tuxide: it's opensource you can code
[00:30:35] <Mononoke> fix xml stuff
[00:30:46] <Mononoke> help with translation and find bugs, or try to join team
[00:31:04] <Tuxide> I write documentation, but right now I'm insanely busy with my masters degree
[00:31:25] <Rakhun> Thourm: not sure if there officially is an NDA, but they appear to have a pretty proprietary-ish development model
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[00:31:44] <Thourm> hey Darker_Dreams
[00:31:54] <Tuxide> Oh, there's an NDA all right
[00:32:07] <Thourm> good grief...lame!
[00:32:32] <Darker_Dreams> hullo Thourm
[00:32:42] <Darker_Dreams> what's NDA?
[00:33:05] <Rakhun> Non-Disclosure Agreement, a license to bind you to shutup
[00:33:09] <Tuxide> non disclosure agreement, like the kind of thing you sign when you get a real job
[00:33:16] <Darker_Dreams> In know what it *is*
[00:33:28] <Darker_Dreams> I'm just late to the discussion and wondering what's under it...
[00:33:43] <Tuxide> We're talking about PS, but this is going off-tangent
[00:34:24] <Darker_Dreams> ah, the infamous "we're open source" NDA.
[00:34:28] <Thourm> Apple's iPhone dev NDA was not-so-lovingly called the "effin' NDA" :P
[00:35:29] <Darker_Dreams> Thourm; I've heard things about the Apple NDA's that would make them more appropriately called "thank you for your firstborn/soul NDA." ... but yeah.
[00:35:53] <Thourm> lol it was pretty rough...no disclosure of anything at all
[00:36:01] <Thourm> and it severely limited what they could make apps do
[00:38:11] <Mononoke> Tuxide: btw I still don't get why you connect it with PT where is PT mentioned in those posts?
[00:39:06] <Tuxide> Hell I'd remember if Neko didn't delete my loving thread, hold on
[00:39:53] <Tuxide> Remember that one guy who used to hang out here, EvanCarroll?
[00:39:57] <Mononoke> pls poke me with that link on #planeshift
[00:40:03] <Mononoke> it's offtopic hre
[00:40:06] <Mononoke> *here
[00:40:16] <Tuxide> I'll use PM
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[00:48:04] <recon61> anyone want some spare tabs?
[00:52:08] <Mononoke> yes I'd take some
[00:52:16] <Mononoke> do you have them packed ?
[00:56:11] <recon61> no used, starting to replace them with spaces
[00:57:17] <Vornne_> change your editor settings to insert 2 spaces every tab ;)
[01:04:22] <recon61> mind stopped working, g'night
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[01:04:37] <Mononoke> hmm yes book time is close
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[01:52:52] <Eklina> o/
[01:57:30] <Mononoke> hello Eklina
[01:57:41] <Eklina> hi Mononoke. How are you?
[02:01:30] * Eklina recommends to Tuxide to push PS to fix its dissonance between having an NDA and advertising itself as pro open source. Because it would probably be less effort then going after anyone who takes potshots at PS, or anyone who might, maybe be associated with someone that has.
[02:06:49] <Mononoke> I realy think like thinking twice before writying anything in here
[02:06:58] <Mononoke> too many people reads public log :P
[02:07:26] <Eklina> hehe
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[02:46:12] <Tuxide> If nobody from PT posts then I'm going to publicly accuse Mnemonic1 of being from PT until somebody does
[02:48:27] <Tuxide> and I have no idea what the hell Eklina said
[03:49:22] <Ionflux> night
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[08:16:03] <jorrit> Hi
[08:16:30] <Rakhun|school> Hi jorrit :)
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[08:50:17] <_needle> good morning
[08:51:29] <Rakhun|school> Good morning needle
[08:52:23] <_needle> heya Rakhun|school
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[10:04:29] <Tottel> Hi Rakhun|school
[10:11:22] <Rakhun|school> Hi Tottel :)
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[11:37:26] <TheAncientGoat> Hello all
[11:40:33] <Rakhun|school> Hi AncientGoat
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[11:43:16] <azaghal> Yo
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[12:00:17] <TheAncientGoat> How goes the development?
[12:00:40] <Rakhun|school> slow.. can't work on the laptop
[12:02:42] <TheAncientGoat> Haha, the inverse is true with me, I can't work on my project when I'm on my home pc
[12:03:27] <Rakhun|school> ok.. but you have a laptop on which you can work? :)
[12:05:57] <TheAncientGoat> Yep. My poor pc stood abandoned for a few months when we were in heavy development, but now the going is a bit slower, so I can spend some time on it again.
[12:06:32] <Rakhun|school> ok
[12:09:07] <TheAncientGoat> And now that I found djl, i think it will take a crowbar and gratuitous force to get me off of it, haha
[12:10:02] <azaghal> djl?
[12:12:38] <TheAncientGoat> Its a rather cool app for linux
[12:13:58] <azaghal> Linky?
[12:14:10] <TheAncientGoat> A game repository, installer and launcher, which makes a separate xorg server to run games in
[12:14:16] <azaghal> Ah...
[12:15:13] <TheAncientGoat> http://djl.tuxfamily.org/index_en.php
[12:15:23] <TheAncientGoat> There's a link if you want to check it out
[12:20:45] <azaghal> TheAncientGoat: I think the site has kicked the bucket :)
[12:20:55] <azaghal> Or not, just tempoprary MySQL failure.
[12:21:25] <TheAncientGoat> Hate it when that happens
[12:22:03] <azaghal> Heheh, the app author uses e17 it seems :)
[12:22:12] <azaghal> Interesting app.
[12:22:24] <azaghal> I actually might check the list of games there ;)
[12:22:37] <Tottel|School> quite a short game list?
[12:23:08] <TheAncientGoat> There are quite a few
[12:23:24] <Tottel|School> Looks really cool though
[12:23:56] <TheAncientGoat> 88 games, and it's relatively new
[12:24:10] <Tottel|School> even PS :D
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[12:25:12] <TheAncientGoat> It beats GameDeb hands down, imo
[12:25:32] <azaghal> gamedeb?
[12:25:43] <TheAncientGoat> Debian Gaming repository
[12:25:55] <TheAncientGoat> PlayDeb, sorry
[12:26:12] <Tottel|School> I got steam, and I'm happy with it :)
[12:26:12] <TheAncientGoat> http://www.playdeb.net/
[12:26:40] <Tottel|School> now that's a strange looking site :/
[12:27:16] <TheAncientGoat> Yeah, the web design is a bit sketch
[12:27:30] <azaghal> Steam - proprietary - evil ?
[12:27:36] <Tottel|School> :)
[12:28:08] <TheAncientGoat> Steam doesnt run under linux natively, so meh to it
[12:28:11] <azaghal> I'm actually usually more interested in game lists than software like that - happypenguin.org is not the best organised site around the web :)
[12:28:21] <azaghal> TheAncientGoat: _And_ it's evil :)
[12:28:42] <Tottel|School> it's quite ok ;)
[12:28:54] <Tottel|School> it has some.. downsides, but still
[12:28:59] <TheAncientGoat> Yeah, when it first came out everyone hated it. Its ok if you live in a country where everyone has internet
[12:29:15] <TheAncientGoat> But where I come from, speedy internet is rare
[12:29:42] <Tottel|School> our country is surrounded by fast internet, yet we don't have it -_-
[12:31:35] <Tottel|School> This looks awesome ^^ http://happypenguin.org/show?Robombs
[12:34:39] <TheAncientGoat> Looks pretty good! Happypenguin needs a revamp tho
[12:36:28] <Tottel|School> true
[12:38:12] <azaghal> Happy Penguin makes it hard to find really good games, actually.
[12:41:00] <azaghal> But man, some games look good, like glest.
[12:41:01] <TheAncientGoat> Yeah, thats why I'm on the lookout for alternative game services
[12:41:21] <TheAncientGoat> Glest looks good, but it plays strangely
[12:41:30] <TheAncientGoat> Im much more of a Spring person
[12:42:12] <azaghal> TA Spring?
[12:42:46] <Tottel|School> lol.. that first comment http://happypenguin.org/show?PlaneShift#comments
[12:43:10] <TheAncientGoat> It might still be listed as that, but Spring is just an engine, while TA is a game you play on it
[12:43:37] <TheAncientGoat> Pure, CA, Imperial Winter, are all much cooler games built on Spring, imo
[12:44:36] <TheAncientGoat> Ouch, haha
[12:44:38] <Tottel|School> Lol? Privateer? can you still play that
[12:46:25] <azaghal> Privateer remake is good.
[12:46:29] <azaghal> (Vegastrike)
[12:47:59] <Tottel|School> ok, back to school.. bye
[12:56:22] Tuxide was kicked by sueastside: Blackmail isn't appreciated!
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[12:57:11] <sueastside> If anyone wonders why: <Tuxide> If nobody from PT posts then I'm going to publicly accuse Mnemonic1 of being from PT until somebody does
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[13:02:34] <Mononoke> heh took you while
[13:03:28] <sueastside> Contrary to some people's believes, i do sleep.....
[13:11:12] <Mononoke> java stinks
[13:11:26] <Mononoke> sad that I'll get some food and go for math lesson after this :/
[13:27:27] <azaghal> I wonder if Eclipse is a worthy IDE for C/C++ development (using cdt)
[13:30:02] <TheAncientGoat> Eclipse is pretty cool
[13:30:06] <TheAncientGoat> I use it
[13:34:49] <azaghal> Hm... Does it have auto-completion?
[13:35:11] <TheAncientGoat> Yep. You can turn it off tho
[13:35:44] <TheAncientGoat> I only use the c++ aspect for compiling, not much of a c++ coder (yet, in any case)
[13:35:48] <azaghal> Actually, I like that kind of thing - less typing errors :)
[13:35:55] <Mononoke> yeah but I can't imagine eclipse and CS :P
[13:36:11] <TheAncientGoat> Why not?
[13:36:20] <azaghal> It supports project managment? (autotools etc?)
[13:36:55] <TheAncientGoat> It does have project management built in, i just have to remember the name..
[13:37:01] <TheAncientGoat> Mylyn, i think
[13:37:29] <TheAncientGoat> But it is a very pluggable ide, so you just have to check
[13:38:08] <TheAncientGoat> I use the git plugin myself, but that isnt really project management
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[14:48:18] <TheAncientGoat> azaghal: Did you check eclipse out?
[14:48:24] <azaghal> Not yet.
[14:48:33] <azaghal> Downloading lots of stuff atm :)
[15:10:15] <TheAncientGoat> Ah, cool cool
[15:16:58] <azaghal> I'm still kind of pondering whether to start using emacs or something more advanced, heck, even vi's popping to my mind atm :)
[15:20:44] <TheAncientGoat> Haha, why not go really hardcore, and engrave bits with a needle?
[15:21:38] <azaghal> needle wouldn't like it, I think.
[15:21:42] <azaghal> ;)
[15:25:11] <Rakhun|school> no, use butterflies http://xkcd.com/378/
[15:25:53] <azaghal> You are all aware I was making a pun?
[15:26:14] <Rakhun|school> yes
[15:30:24] <azaghal> Ok :)
[15:31:06] <azaghal> lol
[15:33:40] <azaghal> Ok, for fucks sake, why must these installers be so retarded? -.-
[15:34:56] <Rakhun|school> those game repository stuff?
[15:35:05] <azaghal> Nah, some Loki game installer.
[15:35:23] <azaghal> "This doesn't support x86_64, this doesn't support glibc-2.1" :P
[15:35:36] <Rakhun|school> ah, those things originating from windows..
[15:35:36] <azaghal> Fuck it, I don't care if it supports it or not, just bloody run it.
[15:36:34] <Rakhun|school> I think I've seen some command called i386 used to spoof that architecture (let's just hope it doesn't check it's really i586+ or so)
[15:37:06] <azaghal> Well, I did write a simple script to wrap around my own uname which reports x86
[15:38:54] <Rakhun|school> ok, was it sufficient?
[15:40:42] <azaghal> Ok, I think I manged to hack it a bit.
[15:40:46] <azaghal> Nah, I unpacked it by hand.
[15:44:39] <TheAncientGoat> Using a 64 bit system is such sweet masochism, eh?
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[15:49:43] <azaghal> Nah, using proprietary poop is such a sweet masochism :)
[15:50:03] <azaghal> Welcome, pickle-eating net denizen.
[15:50:28] <circeavalon> warm welcome to you aswell azaghal
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[15:53:05] <Induane> Airbornex !!!!!!!!!!!
[15:53:14] <azaghal> Wah?
[15:53:25] * Induane flies through the air like some sort of flying through the air creature and tackles Airbornex
[15:53:31] <azaghal> eix airbornex: no matches found
[15:53:33] <Induane> azaghal ! <3
[15:53:41] <Induane> eix?
[15:53:53] <azaghal> Gentoo's utility for searching the app database.
[15:53:56] <Induane> lol
[15:53:57] <Induane> ahhh
[15:54:17] <azaghal> http://xkcd.com/489/ - lol
[15:54:26] * Induane glances
[15:54:55] <Induane> hahahaha
[15:55:02] <Induane> HAHAHAHA
[15:55:04] <Induane> :)
[15:56:04] <circeavalon> Induane!!!!!!
[15:56:11] <Induane> circeavalon !
[15:56:15] * circeavalon glomps Induane
[15:56:15] <Induane> Are you coming over tonight too?
[15:56:18] <azaghal> azaghal!
[15:56:20] <circeavalon> yes
[15:56:39] <circeavalon> awh...azaghal, you want to be glomped too?
[15:56:45] <Induane> Tonight is Children of Dune. Jennie and I origionally planned to watch the dvd logo bounce for 4 hours straight but this will be better I think.
[15:56:48] <azaghal> What's glomping?
[15:56:49] * circeavalon glomps azaghal
[15:56:56] * Induane huggles azaghal in a non gay way.
[15:56:56] <Airbornex> hey Ind
[15:57:04] <circeavalon> you just know it when it happens...
[15:57:10] <Induane> heheheheheh azaghal's unix beard tickles
[15:57:19] <Induane> air! :)
[15:57:31] <azaghal> Glomp — A hug in the manner of a small child, similar to a bearhug but often including one or both legs as well as arms. Also a hug in which the hugger jumps and catches the victim by surprise or off-guard. Occasionally referred to as a cross between a running tackle and a bearhug. o.O
[15:57:34] <Induane> Good times and almost back to my own ridiculous ways.
[15:57:45] <azaghal> Induane: http://www.majic.rs/Slika012.jpg - I'm to the left :)
[15:57:55] <Induane> Oh no!
[15:57:58] <Induane> No beardy!
[15:58:01] <Induane> They made you shave it?
[15:58:04] <azaghal> Yep. Mandatory service.
[15:58:09] <azaghal> Well, we're not Italians ;)
[15:58:15] <Induane> lol!
[15:58:35] <Induane> Is the other guy holding an iPhone?
[15:58:56] <azaghal> Nah
[15:59:05] <azaghal> That was made in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gornji_Milanovac, btw
[16:00:03] <Induane> circeavalon here in a few months I'm going to have so much more money! I'm paying the last 2 months worth of gas bill on the 4th, last 2 of electricity on the 4th, small mortgage as well. January the mortgage will be caught up so that will knock another 200 dollars off monthly bills, and ash is getting her own phone so my boss is going to pay for mine.
[16:00:36] <Induane> This means that maybe in 6 months or so it will be time to journey to belgium or something! Meet that strange fellow named Waffle.
[16:00:37] <circeavalon> Induane: sweet
[16:00:46] <circeavalon> YES!!!
[16:01:10] <Induane> I'll go kick Jekkar while I'm in the neighborhood too.
[16:01:10] <Induane> I owe it to him.
[16:01:15] <Induane> It'll mean alot to him too
[16:01:30] <Induane> Then I'll go screw my ex in Germany!
[16:01:35] <Induane> Thats the plan anyways :D
[16:01:40] <Induane> Muwhahahaha!
[16:01:41] <circeavalon> .....
[16:01:46] <circeavalon> germany....
[16:01:49] <Induane> Yea...
[16:01:56] <Induane> Diana
[16:01:58] <circeavalon> cough* STD* cough
[16:02:06] <Induane> Damn foreign exchange students always have to move back :(
[16:02:16] <Induane> Her? Hahaha hardly.
[16:02:30] <Induane> She works for Mobay I think already.
[16:02:34] <circeavalon> if she slept with you
[16:02:44] <circeavalon> ..
[16:02:55] <Induane> Like I'm carrying
[16:02:57] <azaghal> Hah! Nobody wants to come to Serbia :)
[16:03:03] <Induane> You are a funny lass
[16:03:07] <circeavalon> I know
[16:03:12] <Induane> Serbia? Can I take a train there?
[16:03:19] <azaghal> std::cough ?
[16:03:20] <circeavalon> sounds cold
[16:03:29] <azaghal> Cinquero: _Not_ Siberia -.-
[16:03:41] <circeavalon> OH!!!
[16:03:45] <circeavalon> sorry my bad
[16:03:46] <Induane> azaghal you can't route a cough throung standard output....
[16:04:06] <Induane> wait
[16:04:11] <Induane> Nevermind
[16:04:13] <azaghal> Blind me... Next time I mention Serbia it'll be "Serbia (_not_ Serbia)" construct :)
[16:04:15] <Induane> You are doing namespaces
[16:04:31] * circeavalon confused
[16:04:45] * Induane injects circeavalon with some basic knowledge of programming
[16:04:49] <azaghal> circeavalon: std::cough - a pun upon your <circeavalon> cough* STD* cough
[16:04:58] <circeavalon> Induane, your switching topics like a mad man
[16:04:58] <Induane> Ok now you can laugh because you get the joke
[16:05:01] <Induane> circeavalon no, like a sane man.
[16:05:07] <circeavalon> HAHAHAHAHHAH!
[16:05:10] <Induane> or rather, a saner me.
[16:05:12] <azaghal> Induane: You can take a train to Serbia, but it'll probably be late 5-10 hours ;)
[16:05:24] <Induane> I'll watch through the window
[16:05:27] <Induane> That never gets old.
[16:05:43] <circeavalon> window watching
[16:05:47] <circeavalon> hmmm
[16:05:53] <circeavalon> look a tree!
[16:06:02] <circeavalon> and dirt!
[16:06:10] <circeavalon> train bingo
[16:07:02] <azaghal> When I look out at my window I only see a wall that my neighbour had errected -.-
[16:08:08] <circeavalon> the landscape is beautiful
[16:08:45] <Induane> You know whats funny? Reading old books that use words whose meanings have modified slightly.
[16:08:58] <circeavalon> is funny?...
[16:09:11] <Induane> "Look out for that snake!" Todd ejaculated.
[16:09:21] <circeavalon> ok, I see your point
[16:12:25] * circeavalon looks around for sueastside
[16:12:34] <circeavalon> :-(
[16:12:54] <azaghal> Ok, that's now excess data...
[16:13:28] <Induane> Excess?
[16:14:38] * circeavalon counts heads and sees that azaghal is= still here
[16:14:47] <Induane> :D
[16:14:54] <Induane> Was there a netsplit or something?
[16:14:59] <azaghal> Nope
[16:15:14] <azaghal> http://xkcd.com/487/ - LOL
[16:17:53] <Induane> Ahh the ways one can multiply.
[16:18:18] <circeavalon> too many numbers...
[16:19:06] <circeavalon> noticed it's numbers and not letters
[16:19:33] <circeavalon> I guess you can't spell anything out with bodies and make it a sexual position
[16:19:54] <azaghal> Yep. It's actually very funny to me, since I'm a failed student at maths faculty :)
[16:20:10] <circeavalon> but you can spell...
[16:22:35] <circeavalon> Induane....you at work?
[16:22:45] <circeavalon> (yes)
[16:24:43] <Induane> circeavalon yea
[16:24:44] <Induane> sorry
[16:25:19] <circeavalon> I know how important it is to talk to me, and I am not offended in the least
[16:25:42] <Induane> ?
[16:25:48] <circeavalon> just freezing waiting for waffle to show up
[16:25:53] <Induane> Ahh
[16:25:54] <Induane> freezing?
[16:25:56] <Induane> why?
[16:27:10] <circeavalon> well since you have neglicted to fix the net at the shop, or see why it won't work there are few places open to me to use, my moms is a piece of crap, so the good old Library is my only option
[16:30:04] <circeavalon> `I am about to give up and start paying for the damn service
[16:30:43] <azaghal> The Internet or the waffles? ;)
[16:31:07] <circeavalon> the waffles....How did you know!?!?!
[16:32:48] <circeavalon> waffle service
[16:32:56] <azaghal> Wild guess.
[16:32:56] <circeavalon> waffles on demand
[16:33:13] <circeavalon> sounds niffty
[16:33:16] <Induane> sueastside isn't a prostitute!
[16:33:37] <circeavalon> .......ahhhh.....yea he is.....didn't you know?
[16:34:10] <Induane> Nope
[16:34:13] <circeavalon> poor Induane, you didn't...
[16:34:27] * Induane leaves out all the horrible jokes he almost said.
[16:34:40] <JorritAfk> Time to go
[16:34:48] * circeavalon pats Induane on the head and tells him 'it will all be OK'
[16:36:24] <Induane> Who made the bunch of recent art commits btw?
[16:36:30] <Induane> I should add them to the website.
[16:36:53] <circeavalon> you know that I don't know....
[16:37:19] <azaghal> Induane: Tried reading the logs?
[16:37:26] <Induane> No, never thought of it
[16:37:27] <Induane> sec
[16:37:34] <Induane> there is an svn command to do it somewhere
[16:37:35] <Induane> lol
[16:37:38] <Induane> man svn
[16:37:39] <Induane> shit
[16:37:40] <Induane> sorry
[16:37:57] <azaghal> Heheh
[16:38:16] * circeavalon would laugh but joke is lost on her
[16:38:28] <Tottel_> most of them were done by Darker_dreams..
[16:38:40] <circeavalon> the injection wore off
[16:38:47] <Tottel> but they came from somewhere.. free models
[16:39:02] <circeavalon> Tottel!!
[16:39:07] <Tottel> circeavalon! :D
[16:39:15] <Induane> ahh
[16:39:20] <circeavalon> I miss you! sorta...
[16:39:22] <Induane> Tottel know where he got them?
[16:39:37] <Tottel> http://reinerstileset.4players.de/
[16:39:49] <Tottel> circeavalon: I guess the 'sorta' says it all? :)
[16:40:01] <circeavalon> yea...pretty much...
[16:41:02] * circeavalon gives Tottel a good ol' guy, punch on the shoulder..chum style
[16:41:12] <Tottel> haha :D
[16:41:36] <circeavalon> I try...
[16:41:58] <Tottel> well, you manage to keep us motivated ^^
[16:42:15] <circeavalon> are you sure?
[16:42:30] <Tottel> mmmmmnyes?
[16:42:35] <circeavalon> liar
[16:42:44] <Tottel> nah, it's true..
[16:42:55] <circeavalon> right...I believe you
[16:42:57] <Tottel> everyone goes 'Circeavalon' when you enter :D
[16:43:04] <Tottel> (with some '!!')
[16:43:11] * circeavalon shakes head in mock agreement
[16:43:55] <azaghal> circeavalon: Does your client make an audible sound when someone mentions your name in channel?
[16:44:11] <Induane> Mine beeps, hers should at least flash
[16:44:14] <circeavalon> no. it lights up that's about it
[16:44:15] <Induane> if not it can be turned on I imagine
[16:44:33] <azaghal> Ok, we could still induce an epilepsy attack if we tried hard...
[16:44:37] <circeavalon> well maybe you should do that for me Induane
[16:45:08] <circeavalon> I always sorta wanted to be epilptic...I think...
[16:45:36] * circeavalon practices her 'seizure' face
[16:45:44] <circeavalon> I think I have it down....
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[16:46:02] <Induane> Levia !
[16:46:02] <Induane> :)
[16:46:08] <circeavalon> LEVIA!!!!!
[16:46:14] <Levia> Induane!
[16:46:18] <Levia> circeavalon!!
[16:47:26] <circeavalon> fuckin' waffle...
[16:48:37] <Tottel> Do not insult the waffle!
[16:49:01] <circeavalon> It was said in the greatest respect
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[16:49:05] <Tottel> :)
[16:49:11] <circeavalon> Darker_Dreams!!!!
[16:49:20] <Darker_Dreams> circeavalon!!!!!!!!1111
[16:49:27] <Induane> Darker_Dreams !
[16:49:32] <Darker_Dreams> Induane!!!!
[16:49:36] <Darker_Dreams> punk.
[16:49:40] * Darker_Dreams hits Induane.
[16:49:46] <Induane> WHAT?!
[16:49:49] * Induane explodes
[16:49:57] <Darker_Dreams> I dunno, seemed like the thing to do at the time.
[16:49:58] <Induane> Have you seen my left pinky finger?
[16:50:08] <Darker_Dreams> ahh... no?
[16:50:11] <Induane> Seems to be missing after the explosion
[16:50:19] * circeavalon pretends to be offended that induane has been hurt, but just giggles instead
[16:50:44] <circeavalon> I found it!
[16:50:47] * Induane pretends to be offended that circeavalon would pretend to be offended but was not actually offended.
[16:51:19] <circeavalon> we're all a bunch of fakers
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[16:53:48] <circeavalon> TheAncientGoat: how's the weather?
[16:53:52] <Levia> I don't fake
[16:54:01] <circeavalon> Levia: liar
[16:54:05] <Levia> what do I fake
[16:54:12] <TheAncientGoat> Better, now that my ac is working again :)
[16:54:13] <Tottel> you're faking to call him a liar?
[16:54:15] <circeavalon> assumsment
[16:54:33] <circeavalon> yes? I think..
[16:55:00] <circeavalon> TheAncientGoat: warm I take it..
[16:55:57] <circeavalon> TheAncientGoat: chilly here, autumn and all
[16:55:59] <TheAncientGoat> Warmer than it usually is, this time of year
[16:57:07] <Induane> i'm wearing a jacket circeavalon that does say something
[16:57:09] <circeavalon> I gtg, I'll bbl...
[16:57:11] <Induane> I never wear coats!
[16:57:13] <Induane> see ya
[16:57:15] <Induane> later tonight
[16:57:23] <circeavalon> peace
[16:57:25] <Induane> bring margarita if you can but no worries. I don't have crap.
[16:57:30] <circeavalon> k
[16:57:42] circeavalon has quit: "Leaving."
[16:57:59] <TheAncientGoat> Dammit what id give for a social life, haha
[16:58:24] <Induane> Come visit
[16:58:30] <Induane> sueastside dod
[16:58:31] <Induane> did*
[16:59:39] <TheAncientGoat> Haha, I doubt that I'll be able to escape the UAE till January
[17:00:35] <TheAncientGoat> And even then there is a large chance that I might go to Australia
[17:02:54] <Tottel> why visit you, you're coming to us anyway ^^
[17:08:48] <Induane> I know I will
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[17:11:00] <recon69> g'afternoon all
[17:11:15] <Tottel> Hi recon69 :)
[17:13:48] * TheAncientGoat crosses a whole assortment of anatomy, in hope that the new nvidia drivers work
[17:19:52] <Induane> neighborlee !
[17:19:52] <Induane> :)
[17:20:59] * Induane huggles neighborlee
[17:21:01] <Induane> Whooo!
[17:21:27] <Induane> http://peragro.org/node/21 Objections anyone?
[17:21:37] <Induane> Or additions for that matter?
[17:22:05] <Tottel> Trac?
[17:24:53] <Eklina> azaghal: I'd want to come to Serbia :)
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[17:25:16] <recon69> Induane: would only suggest that you cover yourself by thanking all those who made contributions who have not been mentioned my name
[17:25:43] <azaghal> Eklina: Yeah, but you already did :)
[17:26:20] <Eklina> true
[17:27:22] <azaghal> We need to introduce Induane to the Serbian cuissine ;)
[17:27:39] <neighborlee> Induane, hi there o-0
[17:27:54] <Eklina> I've heard people who've said that they could live on bread and kajmak alone
[17:28:27] <Tottel> mjam
[17:29:14] <Eklina> Induane: blender?
[17:30:06] <Darker_Dreams> Induane; add worldforge.
[17:31:16] <Induane> Worldforge? Ok
[17:32:09] <Induane> what did we get from worldforge?
[17:32:49] * Darker_Dreams coughs.
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[17:32:58] <recon69> wonders if i should stay in tonight coding or go drinking and dancing instead ?
[17:33:21] <Induane> hahahahahah!
[17:33:24] <Induane> the latter :)
[17:33:31] <Induane> I know I shouldn't say that but hey!
[17:33:31] <Thourm> hey Induane, recon69
[17:33:42] * Induane glomps Thourm
[17:33:43] <Darker_Dreams> so far; a huge headache trying to get a .mesh converter for blender that works.
[17:33:44] <Induane> hi!
[17:33:45] <Thourm> I hear Tottel wants to kick your posterior, Induane :P
[17:33:59] <Induane> haha what for?
[17:34:25] <Darker_Dreams> recon69; the gamer in me says "code, of course," the responsible part says "get the hell out of the house."
[17:34:35] <Thourm> he thinks you left a really negative review for PS on a linux site :P
[17:34:49] <Darker_Dreams> Throum; I think you mean Tuxide, not Tottel.
[17:35:05] <Darker_Dreams> Thourm, even.
[17:35:10] <Induane> Thourm I never left a review.
[17:35:17] <Induane> I suggested one be made though.
[17:35:25] <Induane> I've never reviewed PS myself
[17:35:28] <Thourm> oh yeah, my bad
[17:36:28] <Thourm> I didn't think you'd done that...but he was convinced it was someone from PT
[17:37:10] <Induane> I did do it, and from my personal perspective the reason for doing so was uniquely justified though perhaps not well thought out or fair to certain people.
[17:38:15] <azaghal> Eklina: Let's not forget the roasted piggy ;)
[17:38:21] <Induane> Talad though in my own personal opinion can say what he will. He did many things and made many false acusations to the extent that I ended up suggesting the review out of some personal frustration with his (imo) highly negative and immoral actions.
[17:38:21] <Eklina> ofc not :)
[17:39:34] <azaghal> recon69: Better stay home coding, who knows what'd happen if you were to try dancing while drunk (being a geek).
[17:39:49] <recon69> lol
[17:40:24] <recon69> the nigh out includes salsa lessons :)
[17:40:36] <azaghal> Women?!! Screw coding, go out!
[17:40:52] <Eklina> yes, going out seems sensible
[17:40:58] <Eklina> do the coding *before* going out :)
[17:41:04] <azaghal> I think my ISP's doing something funky - again -.-
[17:41:21] <azaghal> Code while going out?
[17:41:30] <Eklina> that might get awkward
[17:42:04] <azaghal> Get one of those thingies that project a keyboard onto some surface, then you project it on... well... use your imagination... "Hey, I was just typing on a keyboard, no need to slap me." :)
[17:42:22] <Eklina> and you'd probably start tuning out the women if you're deep into coding, which is sure to be a put-off to them
[17:42:39] <Tottel> Thourm: Wasn't me
[17:42:46] <azaghal> Not if you hit them with a printed-out Linux kernel source :)
[17:42:54] <Thourm> yeah sorry, I meant Tuxide
[17:42:57] <Tottel> I did paste a link here of a review on PS :D but I have no idea who's it was ^^
[17:43:09] <Eklina> well, I agree. Hitting women *would* get their attention.
[17:43:13] <azaghal> Tottel: The comment on The Linux Gaming Tome?
[17:43:16] <Tottel> it was just a funny review.. pros: none; contra: .. huge list
[17:43:53] <Tottel> on the happypenguin.org
[17:43:54] <Tottel> http://happypenguin.org/show?PlaneShift#comments
[17:43:56] <Tottel> this one it was
[17:43:59] <recon69> they'll let anyone on the internet
[17:44:10] <azaghal> Anyway, last time we mentioned the you know who and you know which game, the you know who came in here screaming bloody murder at us, so better stop :)
[17:44:46] <Tottel> I'll take the whole responsibility on me ;)
[17:45:09] <Tottel> ah well.. I jus thought it was a funny review, that's all
[17:45:46] <azaghal> Actually, I agree with the part about PS not being an open source game, but just an engine.
[17:45:56] <Induane> Its barely an engine
[17:45:57] <recon69> be fun when PT starts getting reviews!!
[17:46:22] <Tottel> hehe, I didn't want to say it :D
[17:46:29] <Induane> as so much stuff is so wrapped up in it being designed for planeshift that its not very well suited to being a general purpose mmo engine
[17:46:35] <azaghal> recon69: Nah-uh, it'll all be like "0mg, ur g4m3 sukz!"
[17:46:41] <Induane> I relish the day we have enough content to get a bad review :D
[17:47:20] <azaghal> We alredy _have_ enough content to get a bad review (provided you manage to actually log in ;)
[17:47:57] <Tottel> :D
[17:48:13] <sueastside> They'll be intoxicated by my charm and write a nice review.
[17:48:35] <Tottel> that's it! we just put a gian picture of sueastside on the top of the page!
[17:48:38] <Tottel> giant*
[17:48:49] <sueastside> and curse the timezones!
[17:49:45] <azaghal> Nake _and_ giant (we'll use photoshop to enlarge him...)
[17:49:53] <azaghal> s/photoshop/gimp/
[17:50:03] <azaghal> I can't believe I just suggested using Photoshop :/
[17:50:33] <Tottel> ;)
[17:52:43] <Tottel> lol? I'm reading trough the comments.. quite some strange things here :/
[17:53:20] <Induane> :D
[17:53:27] * Induane glimps Tottel
[17:53:32] <Induane> its sort of a wimpy glomp
[17:53:37] <Induane> I'm all tuckered out from glomping.
[17:53:43] <Tottel> :D
[17:54:06] <Tottel> right.. lets turn it around then
[17:54:42] * Tottel glomps induane.. Induane faints under Tottel's 127 weighting flesh temple
[17:55:23] <Induane> "flesh temple" ?
[17:55:28] <Tottel> my sexy body
[17:55:29] <Induane> I fainted from that phrase alone.
[17:55:32] <Tottel> :D
[17:55:35] <Eklina> lol
[17:55:44] <Darker_Dreams> see also "purple prose" ;-)
[17:55:48] <Tottel> :)
[17:55:56] <Tottel> it's in kilos btw ;)
[17:56:06] <Tottel> and no.. I weigh like half :D
[17:56:08] <Eklina> *big* difference
[17:56:31] <Tottel|dinner> Time to get to 130 kilos now!
[17:56:44] <Eklina> that's like 280lbs
[17:58:35] <sueastside> Tottel|dinner: pencil neck nerd
[17:58:47] <sueastside> hey Eklina
[17:58:52] <Eklina> hey, sueastside
[17:59:57] <Darker_Dreams> The export option seemed easier.
[18:00:02] <Darker_Dreams> wrong window.
[18:00:10] <Darker_Dreams> :-/
[18:01:14] <Induane> lol
[18:09:06] <azaghal> Well, we've seen worse :)
[18:10:13] <Darker_Dreams> well, with sue and circavalon around...
[18:10:29] * Darker_Dreams grumbling...
[18:10:44] <Darker_Dreams> ok, so I can import OGRE files, but only if they're xml.
[18:10:58] <Darker_Dreams> I can turn .mesh files into .xml files... but only with OGRE...
[18:11:00] <Induane> heck be glad you can import any ogre files
[18:11:06] <Induane> :D
[18:11:13] <Induane> those aren't modeling formats
[18:11:53] <Darker_Dreams> I tried dling OGRE... but it's not actually a program... it's some weird addon for ... me to bitch about.
[18:12:09] <Induane> its a 3d renderer
[18:12:16] <Induane> like crystalspace
[18:14:11] <Darker_Dreams> but ogre's open source, right?
[18:14:26] <loufoque> and so is crystal space.
[18:14:32] <Darker_Dreams> right... this I knew.
[18:14:52] <Induane> Yea it is
[18:14:52] <Induane> just not as cool :D
[18:14:56] <Darker_Dreams> heh.
[18:15:07] <Darker_Dreams> Induane... buddy... pal...
[18:15:26] <sueastside> oh no he needs something...
[18:15:27] <Induane> uh oh
[18:15:30] <Induane> :D
[18:15:43] <sueastside> ...friend
[18:16:08] <azaghal> ...alternative source for kidneys...
[18:16:54] <Darker_Dreams> better than the typical opening from a lot of women;
[18:16:54] <Darker_Dreams> *she bats those big eyes at you and says "you know I love you... right?"
[18:17:46] <sueastside> What did you do to the car???!!!!
[18:17:52] <Induane> lol
[18:18:39] <Induane> sueastside.be is down!
[18:18:40] <Induane> oh no!
[18:18:48] <Darker_Dreams> nah, that call turns out to be much more panicked and less in-control.
[18:19:18] <sueastside> Induane: no its not
[18:19:52] <sueastside> even http://sueastside.shacknet.nu:8080/ is on!
[18:20:15] <Tottel> sueastside: how did you call me??!
[18:20:30] <azaghal> Tottel: He called you a big furry wookie!
[18:20:53] <Induane> hmm I was getting errors that I couldn't resolve it
[18:20:57] <Induane> dns problem here maybe
[18:21:10] <sueastside> Tottel: a dumbass, een janet, een eikel, een gatgarnaal, een chocostoemper, .....
[18:21:26] <azaghal> sueastside: Is sueastside your name or does it have some meaning, btw?
[18:21:26] <sueastside> Induane: no opendns, how dare you! :P
[18:21:34] <Tottel> haha :D
[18:21:54] <sueastside> azaghal: su-east-side, suicide
[18:22:03] <azaghal> Ah
[18:22:20] <azaghal> su-east-side will ease me remembering it :)
[18:22:27] <Darker_Dreams> sue-east-side. I slipped on those bastard's sidewalks, so they're going to pay!
[18:23:20] <azaghal> And... We're getting another political party. Someone wants to buy them off? They're fresh, just came out of the oven!
[18:23:52] <Induane> ?!
[18:26:20] <azaghal> Induane: One of the opposition parties got split into two.
[18:26:24] <Induane> ahh
[18:26:34] <azaghal> So I'm checking if I can export them to somewhere while they're fresh.
[18:26:41] <azaghal> (they don't eat too much caviar)
[18:27:10] <Tottel> :/ I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about :D
[18:27:11] <azaghal> Getting spam in japanese is fun...
[18:27:36] <azaghal> Tottel: Serbia has too many political parties, so I have no idea what to do with them :)
[18:27:54] <Darker_Dreams> where are you at azaghal?
[18:28:00] <azaghal> Darker_Dreams: Belgrade.
[18:30:59] <azaghal> brb
[18:31:10] <Tottel> better too much then too few? :p
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[18:35:25] <TheAncientGoat> Nothing broke, and nothing got fixed. :S
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[18:35:45] <Rolenun> Induane! :D
[18:35:48] <Induane> Rolenun !
[18:35:48] <Induane> :D
[18:36:10] <Tottel> TheAncientGoat!! (feel involved^^)
[18:37:02] <Darker_Dreams> John Boy!!
[18:37:46] <azaghal> Boy George!
[18:38:44] <TheAncientGoat> Haha, indeed. Everybody!
[19:05:07] <CyaNox> George Washington!
[19:05:22] <azaghal> What? Where? Don't give him an axe!
[19:05:37] <Induane> MY CHERRY TREE!
[19:05:41] <Induane> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
[19:05:59] <Tottel> It'll grow back.. in time
[19:06:04] * Induane sobs
[19:06:20] sueastside sets mode: +o Induane
[19:06:20] ChanServ sets mode: -o Induane
[19:06:27] <Darker_Dreams> wtf/
[19:06:28] * Tottel slaps Induane: get a hold of yourself!
[19:07:18] <sueastside> ChanServ: Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
[19:07:27] ChanServ sets mode: +o Induane
[19:07:28] <Induane> it loves me
[19:07:38] <Induane> Mine is an evil laugh!
[19:07:49] <Darker_Dreams> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AIIsACrapshoot
[19:08:14] <Tottel> lol :D
[19:09:00] <recon69> stuck trying to pass pointers to CS objects again http://rafb.net/p/ps9Mdm65.html , any ideas?
[19:09:14] * Induane looks just so he can say no
[19:10:19] <recon69> brb
[19:10:26] <Induane> hehe ok
[19:12:39] <recon69> yum , toffee sponge cake
[19:13:06] <azaghal> I prefer portage or apt, actually :)
[19:13:06] <Eklina> recon69: try dynamically casting the output of myLoaderBody::Parse to iMyBody type
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[19:14:47] <sueastside> Eklina: isn't scfquery safer?
[19:15:08] <Eklina> dunno. I was just suggesting something that might work
[19:15:09] <recon69> Eklina: you mean myLoaderBody::ParseBody ?
[19:15:25] <Eklina> recon69: yes
[19:15:57] <Eklina> erm, no. I misread
[19:16:12] <Eklina> don't know what the ParseBody declaration looks like
[19:16:41] <sueastside> the problem is csRef<iMyBody> obj; but csPtr<iBase> myLoaderBody::Parse returns iBase
[19:16:57] <recon69> Eklina: ints the same but I'm trying to pass a pointer to the parent
[19:18:07] <Eklina> sueastside: what does scfquery do?
[19:18:55] <sueastside> recon69: obj = scfQueryInterfaceSafe<iMyBody> (ParseBody ( child, ss, ldr_context, context , parent));
[19:19:40] <recon69> sueastside: changing the return type worked , well it compiles
[19:20:09] <sueastside> Eklina: its sorta casting, but does some extra checks to see if it gets the right interface or something
[19:20:15] <Eklina> oh, ok
[19:22:36] <sueastside> this is fucked up http://vimeo.com/2007855
[19:24:32] <recon69> was reading that on the BBC website
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[19:25:24] <Tottel> he should have removed his keyboard on the other pc :)
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[19:28:35] <sueastside> hey Deepa Rakhun
[19:28:56] <recon69> sueastside: obj = scfQueryInterfaceSafe<iMyBody> (ParseBody ( child, ss, ldr_context, context , parent)); did not work, but I can use the csRef instead, thx for the help, could have been staring at that for hours
[19:29:06] <Rakhun> Hi sueastside
[19:29:10] * azaghal adds keyboards to his list of evil items/people
[19:29:34] <Rakhun> azaghal: why? D:
[19:29:59] <Tottel> http://vimeo.com/2007855
[19:30:06] <Tottel> just before you joined, sueastside pasted this :)
[19:34:28] <JohnTitor> SVN--> darker_dreams commited r745 to peragro_art with log message: touchups on model (+0, -0).
[19:36:02] <JohnTitor> SVN--> darker_dreams commited r746 to peragro_art with log message: First round of importing worldforge building models. Models converted from .dae to .blend (+0, -0).
[19:36:54] <Thourm> Darker_Dreams: the other day you were committing a bunch of links to free model sites...is there a way I can access that list?
[19:37:11] <Tottel> log?
[19:37:15] <Darker_Dreams> check the log.
[19:37:21] <Thourm> ok...
[19:37:28] <Thourm> this thing has a crappy log
[19:38:26] <Darker_Dreams> pretty comprehensive; http://noxbot.org/irclogs/%23peragro/
[19:38:41] <Thourm> oh THAT log
[19:38:47] <Thourm> I thought you meant my IRC log lol
[19:39:05] <sueastside> its THE irc log
[19:39:13] <Thourm> gotcha
[19:39:23] <Tottel> wtf.. are that ALL the logs?
[19:39:53] <sueastside> Tottel: everything you ever said, you're screwed :P
[19:39:59] <Darker_Dreams> couple sites I still have handy right off;
[19:40:00] <Tottel> oh bugger
[19:40:01] <Darker_Dreams> http://www.3dvia.com/home.php
[19:40:09] <Darker_Dreams> http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/VRML/blaxxun/gallery.htm
[19:40:27] <Darker_Dreams> a cookie for anyone who can get the animal files into .blend ...
[19:40:37] <Darker_Dreams> *animal files on that last one.
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[19:40:49] <Thourm> ok, what kind of cookie? you have to specify :P
[19:41:02] <Tottel> A waffle?
[19:41:16] <Darker_Dreams> a virtual cookie.
[19:41:19] <Thourm> :(
[19:41:24] * Thourm wants chocolate chip
[19:42:18] * Darker_Dreams has been ignoring the fact it's time for lunch for the last hour, trying to get through moving stuff to PT... and now doesn't like Thourm much because he's craving a chocolate chip cookie.
[19:42:27] <Darker_Dreams> looks like subway for me today.
[19:42:31] <Thourm> lol
[19:42:40] <Tottel> hah :D ok.. lets take a look at the converting
[19:42:47] <Thourm> I'm sick and haven't eaten anything besides chips and dip in the last 18 hours
[19:42:49] <Eklina> heh, I was just thinking subway myself. Borderline planning it, in fact
[19:43:07] <Tottel> How about some healthy fruit?
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[19:43:30] <Tottel> circeavalon!
[19:43:33] <Darker_Dreams> holy crap, this commit is bigger than I thought...
[19:43:45] <Tottel> no cookie for you
[19:43:54] <circeavalon> Tottel!!!
[19:44:45] <Tottel> apparantly sueastside has been converting to .blend?
[19:50:42] <Thourm> ok so these .wrl files are for web-based content?
[19:51:11] <Darker_Dreams> wrl files are VRML file type.
[19:51:32] <Darker_Dreams> its (yet another) 3D renderer's proprietary filetype.
[19:54:26] <Thourm> http://freewrl.sourceforge.net/
[19:54:33] * Thourm doesn't know if that might be helpful
[19:55:20] <azaghal> You could always ask Google for a cookie...
[19:55:33] * Darker_Dreams is on windows.
[19:55:46] <Induane> fWhoo!
[19:56:29] <Induane> yea
[19:56:54] <azaghal> Err... Android source code is 2.1GB big? And you need 6GB to compile it? :D
[19:57:58] <Rakhun> Darker_Dreams: that's quite wrong, VRML is an XML language which afaik is free
[19:58:40] <Rakhun> azaghal: and lots of pieces from firefox
[20:00:05] <Darker_Dreams> Rakhun; my understanding is that it's a specific program's "favored filetype" ... i meant proprietary like .blend belongs to blender and .mesh (apparently) belongs to ogre, etc.
[20:02:20] <azaghal> Now that's a unique use of word proprietary :)
[20:02:36] <Rakhun> ok.. that's not my view of it, though I haven't really seen any 3D modelling program support it directly, just a Blender exporter I think, but I've seen various browser-plugins for it
[20:02:53] <Thourm> proprietary is .max or .psd
[20:03:20] <Rakhun> yeah that too, .blend isn't proprietary
[20:04:45] <Darker_Dreams> proprietary literally means belonging to... so I'm using it wrong in the vocabulary of open-source vs the evil empires. ;-)
[20:05:12] <Induane> Proprietary means that their standard isn't open and is generally protected by patents and the like. Proprietary formats cannot simply be implemented by third parties since they are not public. Reverse engineering is the only way to make alternative implementations.
[20:05:35] <Induane> .blend can be implemented by other programs since the specs for it are open.
[20:05:44] * Darker_Dreams sighs.
[20:05:48] <Darker_Dreams> fine, I'll find another word.
[20:06:03] <Darker_Dreams> whatever.
[20:07:05] <Rakhun> either way VRML would be relatively easy to reverse-engineer :)
[20:07:17] * Rakhun has coded some VRML a long time ago
[20:08:14] <Darker_Dreams> well, theoretically, blender has an importer that should suck in VRML/wrl files and spit them out as models- for some reason it's not working on those.
[20:08:19] <Darker_Dreams> (for me)
[20:08:44] <Induane> hmmm
[20:08:48] <Rakhun> does it give any error?
[20:08:53] <Induane> can you send me or link me to a file you were having issues with?
[20:09:01] <Thourm> http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/VRML/blaxxun/birch.htm
[20:09:03] <Darker_Dreams> Induane; scroll up.
[20:09:10] <Thourm> I'm going to try Wings3D and see if that works
[20:10:40] <Darker_Dreams> Rakhun; unknown file type.
[20:11:25] <Rakhun> might be as easy as wrong filename suffix then? :) .vrml vs .wrl
[20:12:58] <Induane> Wings hehe
[20:13:01] <Induane> I was dling that too
[20:13:13] <azaghal> And? General impressions about it?
[20:13:41] <Darker_Dreams> Rakhun; unknown filetype or error
[20:14:23] <Darker_Dreams> oh, crap..
[20:14:26] <Darker_Dreams> hang on.
[20:14:45] <Thourm> what's the bash rename command?
[20:15:08] <Darker_Dreams> I'm an idiot who didn't get to the "see terminal" part
[20:15:26] <azaghal> Thourm: mv :)
[20:15:35] <Thourm> ok
[20:15:36] <azaghal> Or rename
[20:16:18] <Darker_Dreams> In BPY_call_importloader(name=C:\Users\Owner\Downloads\animalwrls\ant.wrl)
[20:16:26] <Darker_Dreams> In BPY_call_importloader(name=C:\Users\Owner\Downloads\animalwrls\ant.vrml)
[20:16:37] <Darker_Dreams> (ie; same error either way.)
[20:17:27] <Rakhun> ok, sounds like version incompatibilities imo (Blender/VRML importer)
[20:18:17] <Thourm> crap, it doesn't work in Wings either
[20:18:24] <Darker_Dreams> I wondered, I saw something about a couple different versions of VRML, and I've got no idea what's what.
[20:18:43] <Induane> yea there are
[20:18:49] <Induane> hmm wings is no go?
[20:18:54] <Induane> I'm almost finished installing it
[20:18:56] <Thourm> nope, vrml or wrl
[20:19:09] * Thourm loves drag-and-drop installation :D
[20:19:31] <Rakhun> Darker_Dreams: I meant between Blender and the importer script, but yeah it could be that too
[20:20:17] <JohnTitor> SVN--> darker_dreams commited r747 to peragro_art with log message: First round of importing worldforge textures. Mostly plants and terrain .pngs. (+0, -0).
[20:20:34] <Thourm> what is .dae?
[20:21:09] <Darker_Dreams> it's the importer script that's packaged with blender 2.48 -I hope they're packaging the right version ;-)
[20:21:13] <Induane> Thourm well drag and drop is cool but this isn't even that intrusive :) just took a while to download since boss is skyping
[20:21:21] <Thourm> oh ok
[20:21:27] <Mononoke> Induane: I love you
[20:21:29] <Thourm> you're on Linux, right?
[20:21:42] <Induane> check "wings 3d" hit apply. Done.
[20:21:49] <Induane> Mononoke I love you too <3
[20:21:53] <Darker_Dreams> gtg. back later.
[20:21:54] <Induane> see ya
[20:21:55] <Thourm> later
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[20:22:19] <Mononoke> Induane: anyway I heared today so much shit on you that I realy started to like you :) you are doing good job
[20:22:25] <Thourm> is there an easy way to create hinges, like on doors?
[20:22:43] <Induane> Hmm what do you mean Thourm
[20:23:09] <Thourm> like if you want to make a door open and close (scripted, like on action), how would you model that?
[20:23:34] <azaghal> Joints?
[20:23:38] <sueastside> just make it seperate and put the object center where the hinge would be
[20:23:55] <sueastside> *a seperate object
[20:24:24] <Thourm> ok, makes sense
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[20:32:10] <Thourm> is there a basic idea/map of the PT world? terrain-wise and such
[20:33:05] <Induane> To a degree but we're sort of discussing reworking it to a degree atm
[20:33:11] <Thourm> oh ok
[20:33:56] <CyaNox> For those interrested in a follow up on Tuxides rant: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/30/view/forums/thread/125481
[20:34:13] <azaghal> CyaNox: What was the original runt?
[20:34:15] <azaghal> *rant
[20:34:26] <azaghal> Your Browser has Cookies Disabled - L O L
[20:35:43] <CyaNox> azaghal: read the chat logs.
[20:35:58] <Induane> which log?
[20:36:01] <azaghal> He ranted here?
[20:36:05] <CyaNox> _the_ log.
[20:36:08] <CyaNox> yes
[20:36:18] <azaghal> The only one. The omnipotent Log.
[20:36:28] <Induane> what day?
[20:36:54] <CyaNox> today?
[20:36:58] <Thourm> early this morning
[20:37:11] <Thourm> he was having a fit...
[20:37:16] <CyaNox> ah no yesterday in the logs.
[20:37:25] <TheAncientGoat> What is the grief between Peragro Tempus and PlainShift?
[20:37:28] <azaghal> Erm... Are we in some kind of dissagreement with Tuxide?
[20:37:34] <Induane> azaghal no
[20:37:37] <Induane> he just thinks there is
[20:37:41] <Induane> its very odd
[20:37:55] <CyaNox> TheAncientGoat: None if you ask me. There are however certain opinions about PS here for some members ...
[20:38:00] <azaghal> And who's Mnemonic1?
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[20:38:14] <Induane> azaghal just someone, I doubt its any of us.
[20:38:15] <azaghal> TheAncientGoat: Lots of people here came from PS.
[20:38:24] <CyaNox> azaghal: Unknown to me. For me he/she/it is just another kiddo.
[20:38:38] <Induane> TheAncientGoat and part of that is licensing really. Others like me left for here because our work was not welcome.
[20:39:08] <CyaNox> TheAncientGoat: The original team members and founders are excluded from the list of "former PS members" afaik.
[20:40:11] <Induane> me as well, I never was
[20:40:21] * Mononoke just makes drunk whistle and attempts to hug CyaNox
[20:40:21] <TheAncientGoat> Ah, I see
[20:40:28] <Induane> I applied, rejected, did other stuff was rejected, did more things, finally brought it here at sueastside's coaxing :)
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[20:40:30] <CyaNox> I'd say differently Induane since you where infolved a lot.
[20:40:34] <azaghal> Personally, I was turned away from working on PS due to artwork license :)
[20:40:41] <Induane> No I did alot for them, I never had official capacity
[20:40:44] <azaghal> (I'm a coder, btw)
[20:41:02] <CyaNox> I did not say official in my previous messages.
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[20:41:44] <azaghal> [00:08:41] <Tuxide> Well because he's passionate as hell, people don't normally do stuff like this unless he's a competitor - ok, this is retarded.
[20:42:15] <Mononoke> TheAncientGoat: in short this project is about people who don't care about PS, if they cared they got turned away because of licence people or something and that's why this project gets connected with it
[20:43:23] <CyaNox> While we actually are not.
[20:43:30] <CyaNox> We are not even creating a MMORPG.
[20:43:53] <Mononoke> hmm yes I thing target is morpg not mm
[20:44:02] <CyaNox> emorpg ... :D
[20:44:05] <Induane> Target is something emo
[20:44:07] <Induane> ack!
[20:44:08] <Induane> he beat me
[20:44:12] <Induane> DAMN CYANOX!
[20:44:21] <Induane> And why did he want to slap me?
[20:44:28] <Induane> Yesterday I was so busy I wasn't even on irc here
[20:44:31] <Mononoke> I want to cut my veins
[20:44:31] <Induane> and I dont' have net at home
[20:44:34] <Induane> lol
[20:44:37] * Induane joins
[20:44:40] <Induane> lets all go emo on this game
[20:44:41] <CyaNox> because you are a perfect target for slapping!
[20:44:44] * Induane gets some eyeshadow
[20:45:05] * CyaNox plays some happy metal.
[20:45:18] <azaghal> [02:46:12] <Tuxide> If nobody from PT posts then I'm going to publicly accuse Mnemonic1 of being from PT until somebody does - you've gotta be bloody joking me.
[20:45:30] * CyaNox np: Catamenia - Tie In My Hands
[20:45:31] <Mononoke> azaghal: leave it be
[20:45:34] <CyaNox> *Time
[20:45:57] <azaghal> I can't , now I'm pissed off.
[20:46:07] <CyaNox> azaghal: He has already been banned and discredited by me.
[20:46:29] <CyaNox> (not the banning part though ... damn you sueastside !)
[20:46:30] <Mononoke> azaghal: sorry I forgot that you ar serb, I should sell you a weapon you a weapon :P
[20:46:31] * azaghal slaps Induane just for fun's sake
[20:48:16] * sueastside punches azaghal on the nose
[20:48:25] <sueastside> Don't mess with my buddy!
[20:48:59] * CyaNox sees a little dwarf do a al capone impression of "You touch him and you touch me".
[20:49:06] <azaghal> Why the heck did they slap Induane that much?
[20:49:32] <CyaNox> because if they did it to me I would slap back ... but I hit a bit harder.
[20:51:18] <CyaNox> I slap like a male ... with a fist!
[20:53:22] <Induane> lol!
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[20:58:59] <CyaNox> heh I have that account since 2004 on mmorpg.com ... thats like before peragro ... no wonder I forgot I actually had an account there until I tried to register there and found that someone already had used my nickname ... :P
[21:00:04] <CyaNox> At first I did not believe that someone would have used my nickname since ... well it is quite a unique nickname. Then it ocured to me that I might have already registered before so I tried and guess what it worked! ... ;)
[21:00:05] <Induane> haha
[21:01:55] <CyaNox> lets see what other weird crap I posted on that forum ... :D
[21:02:39] <Induane> hehehe
[21:02:42] <Induane> a blast from the past!
[21:05:53] <CyaNox> Well I know I've said stupid things in the past ... :D ... but apparently on that forum I'm clean ... ;)
[21:06:21] <CyaNox> quite clean in fact ... you should be very suspicious.
[21:07:21] * CyaNox imagines half this channel trying to dig up stupid things I've said in the past.
[21:07:31] * Induane greps through noxbot logs
[21:07:34] <Induane> ;)
[21:07:40] <CyaNox> thats not the past
[21:08:05] <Tottel> past is before the.. accident? :)
[21:08:06] <CyaNox> I mean the time from when I was a kiddo.
[21:08:19] <CyaNox> a kiddo < 20
[21:08:43] <CyaNox> Tottel: Which accident do you mean?
[21:09:15] <Tottel> well, you fill it in for me.. it's your past :)
[21:10:00] <Induane> You know the one from when you played that game "Bullets are nails that need hammered into the sidewalk."
[21:10:26] <azaghal> Here's one: <CyaNox> Internets is a good thing.
[21:10:38] <azaghal> It dates before the Bush's speech even.
[21:11:58] <CyaNox> The one with the spork?, the one where I was really drunk?, the one where I had a spork and was really drunk?, the one where I only had a spoon?, the one where I hit on sueastside?, the one whith the goat?, the one where I was sleeping?, the one with a sheep?, the one where I actually was not present?, the one where I joined up with a certain group of people to create a game?, the one where I actually was present?, the one without the goat?. the ...
[21:11:58] <CyaNox> ... one together with Induane?, the one
[21:12:36] <Induane> oh no!
[21:12:48] * Thourm shoots CyaNox with a water gun
[21:12:55] * CyaNox melts
[21:13:00] <azaghal> TheAncientGoat: Ok, what bloody download of Eclipse would you suggest to me?
[21:13:09] <CyaNox> none.
[21:13:35] <Tottel> uh well.. I was referring to that little bed-watering accident..
[21:13:37] <CyaNox> (now a rant about vi or vim should follow)
[21:15:01] <CyaNox> azaghal: And internet _is_ a good thing. Else I would not have a job or PT would not exist.
[21:15:25] <TheAncientGoat> azaghal: Depends on what you want to do with it
[21:15:35] <azaghal> Oh, for fuck's sake, not the bloody vi user...
[21:15:40] * azaghal runs for a cover
[21:15:49] <azaghal> CyaNox: Emacs ftw!
[21:15:53] <CyaNox> (now a rant about emacs should follow)
[21:15:59] <azaghal> lol
[21:16:18] <azaghal> TheAncientGoat: Any idea how good the UML tools for Eclipse are?
[21:16:24] <CyaNox> I use neither btw ... :D
[21:16:43] <CyaNox> not good in the hands of you azaghal ... ;)
[21:16:53] <azaghal> CyaNox: I had a nasty encounter with vi once, once I finished editing files it was "Where the fuck is half of my file gone to?"
[21:16:53] <Induane> nano!
[21:16:57] * Induane waits for chastization
[21:17:08] <CyaNox> pico!
[21:17:11] <azaghal> I wiped out a huge part of an apache configuration that way :)
[21:17:18] <azaghal> Induane: I use nano on regular basis.
[21:17:22] <CyaNox> And I actually use both nano and pico ... :D
[21:17:27] <TheAncientGoat> It has support for uml, but ive never used it
[21:18:06] <azaghal> So far I've worked with KDevelop mostly, but ever since I abandoned KDE, I'm in a search of some other IDE.
[21:18:22] <azaghal> I tried Code::Blocks (which still lacks some little things), and Anjuta.
[21:18:31] <CyaNox> azaghal: You can still use KDevelop.
[21:18:46] <azaghal> I can, but I don't want to :)
[21:18:54] <azaghal> KDevelop will pull in a crapload of deps.
[21:19:12] <CyaNox> so will eclipse
[21:19:41] <CyaNox> btw did you use the stabel codeblocks or the snapshot?
[21:19:47] <TheAncientGoat> Well, if you just download the Eclipse classic version, you should get a good base, and from there you can select what plugins you want in the ide
[21:19:52] <azaghal> Stable, something like 8.04?
[21:20:08] <CyaNox> 8.04 is not a version for codeblocks afaik.
[21:20:21] <azaghal> And since I already have Java here, Eclipse won't pull in that much
[21:20:25] <azaghal> *8.02, sorry
[21:20:37] <azaghal> Is the snapshot a lot better?
[21:20:58] <CyaNox> it has more features
[21:20:59] <azaghal> Hm... http://www.geany.org/ might be interesting.
[21:21:03] <CyaNox> and crashes more often.
[21:21:07] <azaghal> Heheh
[21:21:35] <CyaNox> but I've been using codeblocks (old revision btw) for a while now with D.
[21:21:37] <azaghal> Python IDE with Blender support? o.O
[21:22:22] <CyaNox> owh and I only use an ide for editing the code. Compiling I do on the command line as with verisoning.
[21:22:57] <azaghal> Well, I'd like to have code auto-completion at least.
[21:23:03] <CyaNox> I actually use colordiff for my diffs ... :D
[21:23:14] <azaghal> Heh, I use that one as well.
[21:23:26] <azaghal> Although, kompare (iirc) was a nice GUI diff.
[21:23:33] <Rakhun> azaghal: I've tried geany, got disappointed in the project handling, it doesn't seem to save when you add more files to the project
[21:23:40] <azaghal> Ah
[21:23:42] <CyaNox> want my "sdi" and "sdiw" lines?
[21:23:53] <azaghal> sdi?
[21:24:11] <azaghal> Rakhun: When was that?
[21:24:19] <CyaNox> alias sdi="svn di --diff-cmd=colordiff -x-ud"
[21:24:19] <CyaNox> alias sdiw="svn di --diff-cmd=colordiff -x-udEbwB"
[21:24:19] <CyaNox> alias sdiwi="svn di --diff-cmd=colordiff -x-udEbwBi"
[21:24:43] <Rakhun> azaghal: some months ago I think
[21:25:08] <CyaNox> I like the way Zend Studio does its file handling.
[21:25:12] <azaghal> Hm... What kind of things can http://pythonide.stani.be/ do with Blender?
[21:25:22] <CyaNox> (The old one that was not based on eclipse that is)
[21:27:03] <azaghal> Hm... Actually, Code::Blocks might do.
[21:30:48] <Induane> its not a bad ide
[21:30:53] <Induane> geany is cool
[21:32:08] <Rakhun> Induane: *nod* except it doesn't save newly added files to the project, at least not when I tried it
[21:32:31] <azaghal> Maybe they fixed it.
[21:32:41] <azaghal> What do you mean by doesn't save, though?
[21:34:31] <Rakhun> well it allows you to save the currently open files in a project, so you can open that project and get all those files, but once the project is there, there is no way to re-save it when you have added new files to it, iirc not even possible to save it by a new name and remove the old one
[21:35:34] <azaghal> Ah
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[21:37:47] ChanServ sets mode: +o Darker_Dreams
[21:39:24] <sueastside> wb Darker_Dreams
[21:40:07] <Darker_Dreams> ty sueastside
[21:57:44] <azaghal> CyaNox: Now I remember what bothered me with Code::Blocks - couldn't change shortcut keys :)
[22:00:48] <Induane> its in a config file somewhere
[22:01:10] <Induane> but it can be done
[22:01:36] <Induane> hehe yea
[22:01:38] <Induane> oops
[22:01:40] <Thourm> stupid OPEC scumbags
[22:02:09] <azaghal> Ah, I can see it.
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[22:14:02] <Thourm> hey swedishcoder_
[22:14:05] <swedishcoder_> hi
[22:14:17] <sueastside> hey swedishcoder
[22:14:18] ChanServ sets mode: +o swedishcoder
[22:14:54] <Induane> swedishcoder !!!
[22:14:55] <Induane> COMBAT ZOMG COMBAT
[22:15:03] <Tottel> strange
[22:15:06] <Tottel> are there some new admins?
[22:15:07] <swedishcoder> zomg?
[22:15:22] <swedishcoder> Tottel: admins for what?
[22:15:25] <Tottel> in here
[22:15:31] <Induane> ?
[22:15:42] <Tottel> in the chat
[22:15:44] <Induane> maybe more people who bothered identifying to services
[22:15:49] <Induane> I usually forget to
[22:15:57] <Induane> but I've always had ops like for ages
[22:15:58] <swedishcoder> i'm usually really lazy about it, seldome identify...
[22:16:04] <Induane> heh
[22:16:07] <Induane> thats the deal!
[22:16:09] <Tottel> uh.. I...
[22:16:11] <Induane> more people identified today
[22:16:16] * Thourm just wants voice once in a while
[22:16:21] <Tottel> so.. if you register your nick, you're an admin? can't be?
[22:16:28] <swedishcoder> Tottel: no
[22:16:42] <Tottel> I'm like.. completely confused right now :/
[22:16:50] azaghal has quit: Remote closed the connection
[22:17:03] <swedishcoder> Tottel: you have to be promoted to op as well
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[22:17:14] <swedishcoder> wb azaghal
[22:17:21] <Tottel> That's what I thought.. but Induane was just recently promoted righ?
[22:17:23] <Tottel> t
[22:17:28] <Darker_Dreams> Tottel: you get admin when it's given. Generally, from what I've seen, because you've done some really big stuff and are thus considered invested.
[22:17:28] <swedishcoder> Tottel: no
[22:17:31] <azaghal> God damn stupid X-Chat bug. When the heck will I debug it? o.O
[22:17:34] <Darker_Dreams> nah, Induane's been op for ages.
[22:17:47] <Darker_Dreams> he just never gets his +o because he doesn't identify.
[22:17:58] <Tottel> ah.. that must be why..
[22:17:58] <Tottel> ok, my bad
[22:18:03] <CyaNox> azaghal: Not because you are about to switch to irssi.
[22:18:09] azaghal sets mode: +v Tottel
[22:18:13] azaghal sets mode: +v Tottel
[22:18:19] <Tottel> woho, my second time with voice
[22:18:25] <Tottel> too bad I have no idea how to use it
[22:18:32] <CyaNox> you can't
[22:18:33] <Darker_Dreams> there really isn't a use for it.
[22:18:34] <azaghal> Erm... Wrong T-person :P
[22:18:38] azaghal sets mode: +v Thourm
[22:18:41] <swedishcoder> it only matters if people without voice can't talk
[22:18:42] <Tottel> bugger ^^
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[22:18:58] <Darker_Dreams> all it means is you get a nifty thing next to your name.
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[22:18:58] <Tottel> haha, he quitted! he can't demote me now!
[22:18:59] <Tottel> darn
[22:19:03] <azaghal> -.-
[22:19:08] Darker_Dreams sets mode: -v Tottel
[22:19:09] <CyaNox> I still can.
[22:19:14] <Tottel> shit...
[22:19:17] <azaghal> Tottel: Be lucky I don't dare right-click you again.
[22:19:22] <Tottel> ^^
[22:19:27] <azaghal> The damn X-Chat crashed - again
[22:19:30] <Tottel> Hacks you know ;) you crash if you do
[22:19:36] <CyaNox> azaghal: Switch to irssi.
[22:19:41] <azaghal> Never.
[22:19:46] <swedishcoder> azaghal: I used to run xchat for a long time, never had any problem
[22:19:54] <Tottel> mIRC anyone? ^^
[22:20:00] Tottel was kicked by CyaNox: CyaNox
[22:20:07] <azaghal> Yeah, well this one's a strange fellow. When I try to right-click a person and go to a context menu for that person it just dies,.
[22:20:16] <swedishcoder> oh
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[22:20:20] <Tottel|School> ok.. I guess not
[22:20:49] <CyaNox> only n00bs use mIRC.
[22:20:59] <azaghal> #peragro - a place where people come for a friendly kick :)
[22:20:59] <CyaNox> and annoying kiddies.
[22:21:00] <Tottel> first program I found :)
[22:21:13] <CyaNox> worst program you can find.
[22:21:31] <Darker_Dreams> I just want to take this opportunity to apologize to anyone who's going to be updating the peragro art repo... ever.
[22:21:58] <CyaNox> Darker_Dreams: I have a gigabit connection to that server so don't.
[22:22:10] <Tottel> Darker_Dreams: whys that?
[22:22:12] <Darker_Dreams> it's not the server I'm worried about.
[22:22:14] <Tottel> got something huge to upload?
[22:22:24] <azaghal> For the love of...
[22:22:30] <azaghal> Darker_Dreams: It better be good :)
[22:22:39] <azaghal> Screenies?
[22:22:43] <Darker_Dreams> sue told me to do it.
[22:22:46] <Tottel> a complete PT world? ^^
[22:23:00] <Induane> Darker_Dreams he can pull down an update at a huge rate through his giant fat pipe
[22:23:00] <azaghal> Screenies, please :)
[22:23:06] <Induane> DD and I need to get together and do some laying out
[22:23:08] <Induane> tilewise
[22:23:17] <Darker_Dreams> ok, so CyaNox doesn't get the apology- because he can survive it.
[22:23:31] <Induane> It will be great.
[22:23:36] <Tottel> then go for it :)
[22:23:37] <azaghal> I want a beer in addition to appology... And a female good-looking coding guru...
[22:23:45] <Darker_Dreams> and yes, Induane, we need to get together and do some updates to the isle.
[22:25:00] <Induane> thats a tall order azaghal
[22:25:03] <azaghal> Well, it's worth a shot :)
[22:29:53] <Darker_Dreams> Damn.
[22:30:22] <Tottel> how big is.. big exactly? :)
[22:31:03] <azaghal> 100MB?
[22:31:19] <Tottel> that would be quite ok
[22:31:40] <Darker_Dreams> I'm on my second 200+ MB texture commit.
[22:31:55] <Tottel> I see
[22:31:56] <azaghal> Erm...
[22:31:57] <azaghal> I'll kill you -.-
[22:32:28] <swedishcoder> Darker_Dreams: I'll do a sync over the night :)
[22:32:30] <Tottel> must be super-high detailed textures :/
[22:32:53] * azaghal will do an update over several nights, it seems
[22:33:03] <Tottel> oh, it's going quite fast
[22:33:18] <Thourm> updating? how does that work/what does it do?
[22:33:25] <Darker_Dreams> 741 files 593 folders is the one I'm doing right now.
[22:33:25] * Thourm is still a newb
[22:33:44] <Darker_Dreams> crap, actually, I forgot to do the weeding in this one, so that should come down.
[22:33:54] <swedishcoder> Darker_Dreams: is it one commit?
[22:34:08] <Darker_Dreams> what I get for doing too many things at once.
[22:34:28] <Tottel> thourm: just using svn to update the PT folder
[22:34:36] <Thourm> ohh ok
[22:35:02] <Thourm> so the things he's updating are used in PT already, or are they just for future use?
[22:35:02] <Tottel> do this http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/MSVC_Install#Directory_Structure
[22:35:16] <Tottel> for future use now
[22:35:19] <Thourm> MSVC? isn't that Windoze?
[22:35:26] <Darker_Dreams> swedishcoder; I did one 200mb commit earlier.
[22:35:29] <Tottel> yes ^^ but isn't svn the same on mac?
[22:35:35] <swedishcoder> Darker_Dreams: I didnt see JohnTitor saying anything
[22:35:41] <Thourm> as far as I know...
[22:35:43] <Tottel> thourm: then this http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/MSVC_Install#Download_and_install_TortoiseSVN
[22:35:55] <Thourm> I've never done it on Doze so I wouldn't know
[22:35:59] <Darker_Dreams> it was a couple hours ago.
[22:36:10] <swedishcoder> aha
[22:36:33] <Thourm> Tottel: I use a svn terminal command
[22:36:47] <Induane> Thourm we have two art repositories
[22:36:49] <Induane> source art
[22:36:54] <Darker_Dreams> the other one is working right now, but I'm considering cancelling it because I forgot to weed out some unneeded second-texture .pngs from these file.
[22:36:54] <Induane> and exported art
[22:36:54] <Tottel> and I happen to be a complete command/console noob
[22:36:54] <swedishcoder> Darker_Dreams: but its not in the default art dir, since my svn up didn't pick up anything
[22:36:57] <Thourm> ahh ok
[22:37:08] <Tottel> oow yea right.. sry.. it's in the ptart folder now :/
[22:37:09] <Thourm> Tottel: I am too, pretty much...
[22:37:11] <Induane> exported artwork is also automatically pulled down by a checkout of the source code
[22:37:25] <Darker_Dreams> swedishcoder; it's in the ptart repo, not the one that gets picked up automatically with the main PT code.
[22:37:29] <Thourm> I do know that svn is a bash command
[22:37:40] <swedishcoder> Darker_Dreams: ah, so doesn't affect me then
[22:37:41] <Thourm> Windoze complicates everything too much
[22:38:03] <Darker_Dreams> swedishcoder; I don't know who all is in what repo how often.
[22:38:11] <Tottel> Thourm: and they try not too :D
[22:38:29] <Darker_Dreams> though it does mean that the in-world stuff is likely to grow soon, because I also added a bunch of models and the like.
[22:38:32] <Thourm> yeah really...what would happen if they actually TRIED to be a pain? :P
[22:38:45] <Tottel> chaos and disaster..
[22:38:54] <Thourm> read: Vista :P
[22:38:57] <Tottel> ^^
[22:39:08] <azaghal> Vista? Evil, evil! Bad, bad!
[22:39:10] <Tottel> too bad it's all standard now :/
[22:39:22] <Thourm> Windoze != standard
[22:39:29] <Tottel> sjjjt.. I don't want to be kicked again for saying out loud the forbidden OS :/
[22:39:56] <Tottel> Thourm: not if you buy mac, indeed :/
[22:40:01] <Darker_Dreams> Induane/sueastside; speaking of, the textures and models really need to be sorted soon. because I didn't have any idea what to do with them I've been dumping the textures and files into a "worldforge" subdir in the best directory for the kind of file (IE, textures with texture, models with models)...
[22:40:25] * Thourm loves his standards-based Mac
[22:40:29] <Tottel> :)
[22:40:31] <Thourm> :P
[22:40:33] <Darker_Dreams> also, because I'm still working on getting stuff converted I have *not* started reskinning stuff with their UVs.
[22:40:43] <Tottel> I doubted for a while to buy a mac..
[22:41:09] <Tottel> got my hp now.. with vista; not as stable as they claim to be :/
[22:43:06] <CyaNox> you should have gotten it with xp if you want windows else use any unix.
[22:44:40] <Tottel> apparantly.. I just didn't know it back then
[22:45:37] <needle> howdy
[22:45:44] <Tottel> Hi needle
[22:45:53] <needle> Tottel hey
[22:46:26] <Thourm> Tottel: as a former kool-aid drinking Windoze user, trust me: get a Mac :)
[22:46:47] <Thourm> the power and functionality of UNIX with the most user-friendly and intuitive interface available
[22:47:12] <swedishcoder> Thourm: just remember that all programs doesnt run on linux nor mac, so depends on what your needs are
[22:47:13] <Tottel> good idea for my next pc :)
[22:48:00] <Thourm> true, but I've never had a problem doing what I wanted to do
[22:48:05] <needle> hmm next pc will be a 2nd dell 24" screen and an 4 core cpu with 4 Gigabyte RAM
[22:48:11] <Tottel> see, like now .. stupid vista
[22:48:23] <Tottel> just trying to copy a file to my desktop.. can't
[22:48:48] <needle> and maybe i get a 2nd distribution like sourcemage on it or a bsd
[22:50:40] <Thourm> Tottel: permissions-related?
[22:50:57] <needle> why not wait for windows 7...
[22:51:18] <needle> it sure will be more secure and easiert to use
[22:51:20] <Thourm> who wants another Windoze?
[22:51:54] <Thourm> "This bullet in the foot only hurts half as bad as the previous one, and likely only causes half the infection."
[22:52:04] <Tottel> Thourm: yea.. couldn't move it because it was open in my media player
[22:52:16] <Thourm> oh ok
[22:52:32] <Thourm> I heard that M$'s new permissions system had a lot of holes in it
[22:52:42] <needle> ah yeah i forgot sarcasm or irony is hard to explain on irc :|
[22:52:49] <TheAncientGoat> How is Sourcemage, it looks interesting
[22:52:54] <Thourm> hehehe sorry, I missed it P
[22:52:55] <Thourm> :P
[22:53:01] <Tottel> haha :D
[22:53:15] <needle> Thourm: :)
[22:53:19] <Tottel> indeed.. Visa was just.. to full it up between XP and Microsoft 7 :/
[22:53:35] <needle> as usual with ms products
[22:54:00] <Thourm> even Office:Mac sucks
[22:54:25] <needle> who remembers windows ME the full up between windows 98 and xp home
[22:54:30] <needle> noone
[22:54:38] <Thourm> ugh
[22:54:47] <Tottel> just look at the new office :/ took me quite to figure out where the file/edit/options/... buttons were :/
[22:54:59] <needle> Tottel: ACK
[22:55:40] <needle> the new office interface looks like candy bars
[22:55:53] <Tottel> yea :)
[22:57:35] <needle> well dooes not matter what you take in place of windows, just do it
[22:58:02] <needle> let it be unix linux or macosx
[22:58:19] <needle> you won't miss it defitely Tottel
[22:59:00] <azaghal> needle: They suggested I imprint bits on a stone tablet with you.
[22:59:19] <TheAncientGoat> Harddrive, not stone tablet.
[22:59:48] <needle> azaghal: :) that's sure better than current vista
[23:00:05] <TheAncientGoat> Unless stone tablets became a digital medium overnight, haha
[23:01:04] <Thourm> I''m still waiting for 3D holographic storage
[23:01:05] <Thourm> :D
[23:01:20] <Tottel> keep on waiting ^^
[23:01:34] <needle> the future is now
[23:01:39] <Induane> lol
[23:01:47] <Tottel> :)
[23:01:55] <Induane> openoffice.org3 is nice on the mac
[23:01:55] * Thourm keeps on waiting
[23:01:58] <Induane> native widgets and all
[23:02:03] <Tottel> thourm: almost ^^
[23:02:56] <Induane> I'll just chill until they have nice solid state storage. That seems a bit smarter to me :) no more moving parts!
[23:03:07] <Thourm> ok this zip file is saying it's corrupted...is there anything I can do with it?
[23:03:24] <Induane> We got an ancient mainframe in the other day, the hard drive was on top, and the platters were exposed! on purpose!
[23:03:45] <Induane> and also each platter was about the size of a car rim in diameter (still thin though).
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[23:05:09] * Thourm loves AppZapper
[23:05:39] <needle> what people mostly expect from IT is it has to work ... it does not matter how ancient a system is
[23:05:57] <CyaNox> there is already enough choice in solid state disks Induane.
[23:06:04] <needle> if it works and they are able to work on and it performs , it is all they want
[23:06:21] <Thourm> the new models of the Air come with 128 Gb SSDs
[23:06:21] <Tottel> which is quite logical
[23:06:29] <Tottel> 128 GB??
[23:06:36] <CyaNox> yes
[23:06:39] <Tottel> max I saw so far was like 5 GB :D
[23:06:41] <Thourm> 'tis what His Steveness said
[23:06:48] <CyaNox> Tottel: Your way behind then.
[23:06:56] <Thourm> yeah, wake up!! :P
[23:07:31] <needle> hehe, I am feeling like an idiot now
[23:07:35] <Tottel> CyaNox: apparantly :/ but I'm not really into mini-laptops
[23:07:54] * needle is not well informed in case of hardware
[23:08:04] <Induane> CyaNox I meant competative price per gig
[23:08:12] <Induane> and available in 500gig plus sizes
[23:08:28] <Induane> I don't want to trade out my terrabyte sata drive for a 128 gig ssd
[23:08:39] <Thourm> define "Competitive" :P
[23:09:16] <Induane> Its subjective ;)
[23:09:33] <Induane> Right now the difference in price is still large enough that I get leary at the store.
[23:11:46] <needle> all i need is an stm1 connection then i wouldn't buy hard drives at all, since all is available on the inet
[23:12:15] <needle> why to waste space locally
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[23:13:27] <swedishcoder> hi Edixut
[23:13:34] <Edixut> Yoo-hoo o/
[23:13:54] <Induane> needle I'm a packrat :)
[23:13:57] <Induane> plus I like local copies
[23:14:29] <Edixut> Hi Induane <3
[23:14:47] <needle> Induane: ack sometimes there are rarities not availble at all or only for a short time
[23:16:03] * Thourm munches roast, potatoes and carrots
[23:18:02] <Induane> needle hence you retrieve them and hoard them!
[23:18:13] <Induane> Pot Roast!
[23:18:18] * Thourm says hi to Edixut for Induane
[23:18:32] <Induane> ?
[23:18:35] <Edixut> Induane's screening his calls :(
[23:18:37] <Thourm> well it's the first thing I've eaten all day...
[23:18:38] <Tottel> look up induane :)
[23:18:48] <Edixut> >_>
[23:19:00] <Thourm> (it's 5:17 local time)
[23:19:30] <Tottel> 11.17 pm here
[23:19:53] <azaghal> screen? GNU screen? screen -r? Ctrl+a d ?
[23:19:55] <Induane> Screaning my calls?
[23:20:01] <Induane> No I'm not...
[23:20:06] <Induane> The phone is off for a bit.
[23:20:15] <Induane> Until I get Ashley off my plan, etc...
[23:20:31] <Induane> Service is halted until I get everything straightened out on all fronts. Phone is about the last one to really need help.
[23:20:33] <Thourm> ex? :P
[23:20:47] <Induane> Not yet. I made her move out last thursday.
[23:20:55] <Thourm> oh ok
[23:21:10] <azaghal> Just sort it out so we won't be sad :)
[23:21:11] <Edixut> Induane: Did you go to that SA meetup thing?
[23:21:18] <Induane> Yes I did
[23:21:29] <Induane> Why do you think we're making lame ass forum posts about PlaneShift:?
[23:21:41] <Edixut> I didn't, I had school
[23:21:42] <Induane> We have a game to make, we don't have time to sit around being idiot trolls.
[23:22:01] <Induane> You suggested as much in the mmorpg forum according to the link.
[23:22:11] <Edixut> I respoded, go read it
[23:22:21] <Induane> linky? I cleared browser history earlier :D
[23:22:29] <Edixut> OK hold on
[23:22:53] <Edixut> http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/30/view/forums/post/2402455
[23:23:23] <Edixut> I'm not gonna respond to the tLGT one because Zanzibar most likely will
[23:23:55] <Induane> Thank you for your response CyaNox, the only reason I accused Mnemonic1 and Kordo of being from your team is that I wanted to make sure he wasn't one of you guys, so I could believe otherwise. You posting on here is significant. Also, it's a known fact that both projects don't get along with each other and I wish this wasn't true. <-- no offense but how does accusing us make sure it wasn't us?
[23:24:52] <Edixut> It doesn't, it's CyaNox's response
[23:25:16] <Induane> no thats from what you said
[23:25:17] <Edixut> I just wanted to get someone from PT on there to say what CyaNox did
[23:25:23] <Tottel> lol? that comment from Mnemonic1.. I saw exactly the same on happypenguin.org :)
[23:25:55] <Edixut> Yeah he likes to cross-post
[23:26:14] <Induane> And also you imply that the projects dont' get along. I don't get along with Talad personally but the reason there isn't collaboration is because he refused because he sees us as competition, not because there is an overwhelming anti-ps presence here.
[23:26:28] <Tottel> Mnemonic1 is most likely a PT dev? wth is he trying to say?
[23:26:37] * Thourm plays PS and contributes to PT :)
[23:26:48] <Induane> Tottel Tuxide says that he only said that to get us to say it wasn't us...
[23:26:53] <Induane> or something..
[23:27:05] <Edixut> Yeah what Induane said
[23:27:13] <Induane> I don't necessarily share the sentiment that that was logical in any way of course. ;)
[23:27:13] <Tottel> :)
[23:27:24] <Thourm> "Say it isn't so! wah wah waaahh!"
[23:27:35] <Edixut> hahahaha hurf durf
[23:27:55] <Edixut> Maybe I should put hurf durf on the end of my first post
[23:28:10] * Thourm thinks the aforementioned individual was displaying an acute lack of logic
[23:28:34] <Edixut> There, how does this sound: "EDIT: Just remembered that Kordo's IP address was also an open proxy and that Mnemonic1 is most likely a Peragro Tempus developer, hurf durf."
[23:30:05] <Induane> <Tuxide> and if he isn't from PT then I don't want him doing this to you guys either. I mean people will, but this has been going on for an insanely long time <-- also while its conceivable that something of the same nature could be something we have to deal with sometime, I think its less likely. The reason I think is the combative nature of PS response to criticism that fuels things. If it was ignored more I think it would
[23:30:30] <Induane> This is my main criticism of Talad, I see him as overly sensitive.
[23:30:59] <Edixut> People criticize the game because they've played it before. Once you get players you'll see the same thing.
[23:31:29] <Tottel> you can't do good for everyone
[23:31:33] <Thourm> I have lots of criticisms for PS, but I'm smart enough to keep my trap shut
[23:32:25] <Edixut> Induane: Was the meetup concerning the lawsuit thing?
[23:32:43] <Tottel> I wouldn't even bother telling them.. must be quite stupid.. *Tottel entered Planeshift-chat | Tottel: your game sucks! | Tottel has left the chat
[23:33:02] <Tottel> they had some good things as well..
[23:33:34] <Edixut> I wish I could do more but I'm trying to finish a fricken masters
[23:34:06] <Tottel> :)
[23:34:12] <Tottel> that's a priority
[23:34:24] <Thourm> says who?? :P
[23:35:23] <Tottel> :p
[23:36:10] <Induane> ack gtg!
[23:36:10] <Induane> :D
[23:36:19] <Induane> Edixut no not about the lawsuit
[23:36:24] <Induane> more about making a B horror film
[23:36:34] <Edixut> Oh
[23:36:34] <Induane> I guess I get to be a dead body or something and maybe help with the script or whatever
[23:36:42] <Induane> also I got a shreik tattoe on my forhead
[23:36:45] <Induane> temporary
[23:36:47] <Tottel> you'll do fine as a dead body..
[23:36:55] <Tottel> don't forget your text!
[23:36:56] <Edixut> Lovely.
[23:37:06] <Induane> :D
[23:37:17] <Induane> Anyways guys I've got to head home! Take care everyone! :)
[23:37:23] <Tottel> bye :)
[23:37:31] <Thourm> later Induane
[23:37:31] <Edixut> Later Induane o/
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[23:40:12] <Edixut> Your new website looks lovely
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