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[00:02:53] <hooloovoo> o/
[00:03:38] <Tottel> Hi hooloovoo
[00:04:43] <hooloovoo> What's going on?
[00:05:12] <Tottel> Nothing actually :/
[00:05:28] <hooloovoo> :(
[00:05:33] <Tottel> Mononoke is installing Centos
[00:05:37] <Tottel> and that's it :)
[00:05:46] <hooloovoo> Isn't it supposed to be a meeting or something
[00:05:54] <Tottel> yesterday
[00:05:59] <hooloovoo> Really?
[00:06:00] <Tottel> every saturday
[00:06:14] <Tottel> but I can assure you.. there wasn't one yesterday
[00:06:37] <Tottel> IIRC, the only question was, will NPC's evolve somehow
[00:07:03] <hooloovoo> Ok, seems i didn't miss much then.
[00:07:23] <Tottel> indeed :)
[00:10:47] <Tottel> bbl
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[00:44:12] <Ionflux> hmmm. interesting question. I guess, they will! If someone implements it. :)
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[00:51:05] <Mononoke> meh centos realy looks like rock solid sys :)
[00:56:05] <Ionflux> so its called the best server os for a reason? ;)
[01:03:54] <Ionflux> I never tried it
[01:19:02] <Ionflux> night
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[03:33:59] <Tottel> night
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[12:06:19] <JohnTitor> SVN--> sueastside commited r2191 to peragro_src with log message: Rewrite of the worldloader to utilize the threaded loader and work around the crashes, not much of 'background loading' as it pretty much locks up (blame Xordan) but at least things load again. (needs CS change i'll commit soon.) (+583, -1519).
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[12:09:08] <Vornne_> nice, sueastside :)
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[13:04:47] <JohnTitor> SVN--> PTServerSystem commited r2192 to peragro_src with log message: Automated MSVC project file regeneration. (+24, -36).
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[14:45:57] <Induane> Darker_Dreams !
[14:48:07] <Darker_Dreams> Induane!
[14:49:13] <Induane> bamko is banned?
[14:49:17] <Induane> What did he do?
[14:49:37] <Darker_Dreams> missed that one.
[14:49:41] <Induane> me too
[14:49:44] <Induane> since its not in the logs
[14:50:20] <Darker_Dreams> weird.
[14:50:48] <Darker_Dreams> sueastside? you know what's up?
[14:51:15] <Darker_Dreams> brb
[14:54:06] <Mononoke> he's not banned mbbit he used is banned
[14:54:16] <Mononoke> I think that CyaNox can already put down the ban
[14:55:39] <Mononoke> if anyone of you have contact on him tell him to wait while or use another irc gateway :)
[14:57:48] <Induane> I can
[14:58:37] <Mononoke> gunpoweder power time!
[14:58:53] <Induane> I'd bet you are right about the mibbit deal
[14:58:53] <Induane> good call
[14:58:53] <Induane> :)
[14:58:58] <Mononoke> I totaly fell asleep on train :(
[14:59:01] <Induane> :D
[14:59:06] <Mononoke> I love trains but right now I need to study
[14:59:11] <Induane> reminds me of a song I helped write
[14:59:24] <Induane> except it involved not being able to sleep at all on a train
[14:59:27] <Induane> SO CLOSE
[14:59:54] <Mononoke> not sleeping on train?
[15:00:00] <Mononoke> impossible after 1,5 hour :P
[15:00:48] <Mononoke> well possible but it would have to be something else than these quiet comfortable european trains :X
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[15:02:44] CyaNox sets mode: -b *!*@*mibbit*
[15:03:13] <CyaNox> Owh and tuxide will not be allowed here.
[15:03:17] * Mononoke nods to -b
[15:03:40] <Mononoke> anyway if tuxide wanted he would be already one of those people here I don't know
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[15:03:57] <Induane> wb!
[15:03:58] <Induane> :)
[15:03:59] <Induane> lol
[15:04:05] <CyaNox> if you want to know why tuxide now has a perma ban: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?post=2412453
[15:04:13] <Bamko> ah, i was wondering what I did wrong...
[15:04:14] * Induane looks
[15:04:17] <Induane> haha
[15:04:19] <Induane> no not you :D
[15:04:25] <Induane> I told you you were a pessimist!
[15:04:28] <CyaNox> Bamko: You use mibbit that is what you do wrong.
[15:04:37] * Induane injects Bamko with a vile of much needed optimism.
[15:04:56] <Bamko> the link is blocked here at work... Tuxide is a char in PS.. same guy I assume...
[15:05:02] * Mononoke listens to some japanese shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D0Q8Q1KX48
[15:05:19] <Bamko> so, any suggestions how I can get a real IRC client without installing it ... ?
[15:05:54] <Bamko> (good luck with that one... work gets in the way of my palying around so much... hmph!
[15:06:48] <Bamko> I really appreciate the temp. unban so i could pop in... Hope I can find a way to be in here after though....
[15:06:53] <Mononoke> heh Tuxide is idiot I would ignore that post at all
[15:07:03] <CyaNox> Bamko: its not temporary.
[15:07:15] <CyaNox> it was a temporary ban to get rid of tuxide.
[15:07:39] <Bamko> oh... cool.. so I can use this mibbit thing... also nice to know. thanks
[15:08:29] <Mononoke> being you I'd still prefer something else like own shell on some machine with irssi
[15:09:07] <Bamko> so, the reason I came in... If I am not interupting too much ... I looked for a game to play... like PT... but one that is.. simple... not a MMORPG, more like a hack and slash D&D style game that left out the plot.... any ideas?
[15:09:27] <Induane> Diablo II
[15:09:28] <Induane> :)
[15:09:47] <Bamko> Mononoke: Not sure what you mean, but if you mean have a thing to get around firewall and stuff.. that is fireable offense here....
[15:10:39] <Bamko> ok, cool, I will look into that... I was playing "dungeon runners" or something like that.. but annoying if dont pay.. and I will be danged if I am going to pay...
[15:11:16] <Bamko> I just ignore all the chat, and solo the dungeons... like a solo game that way ;-)
[15:13:09] <Bamko> um.. that is propriatary, owned by microsoft..will that be free?
[15:13:19] <Bamko> I would not expect it to be...
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[15:17:46] <Bamko> um... I would like a free, perferable OS option... extra points go to a game in beta (or alpha) that just has some of the grind stuff done....anyone?
[15:18:27] <CyaNox> Bamko: Check libregamewiki.org
[15:18:46] <Mononoke> Bamko: opensource game in style of D7D ?
[15:18:54] <Mononoke> *D&D
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[15:19:17] <Mononoke> FreeDroid :)
[15:19:25] <Mononoke> kinda cool just too short
[15:22:17] <Bamko> CyaNox: cool site!
[15:23:41] <Bamko> Mononoke: first off, that looks like robots and stuff... secondly.. did you see the name of the character? he he he
[15:23:54] <Darker_Dreams> loufoque; is there a reason you felt it necessary to taunt the animals?
[15:24:18] <Mononoke> oh btw though a bit about the npc strenght idea
[15:24:54] <Darker_Dreams> Mononoke; The plan is that NPCs will evolve skills/abilities more or less the way players do (get better as used).
[15:24:54] <Mononoke> their strength should as well be based on amount of killed npcs, if times are bad they should be stronger. In time of peace weaker
[15:25:08] <Darker_Dreams> some monsters will probably also get better with time as they "grow up,"
[15:25:35] <Darker_Dreams> waiting for the tech support for those bits to exist before getting too wrapped up in it though.
[15:27:00] <Darker_Dreams> CyaNox; you looked at what Tuxide's saying on that link since you posted?
[15:27:27] <CyaNox> Darker_Dreams: Yes I've seen and since he has gone in that direction I don't feel in commenting on it anymore.
[15:27:35] <Bamko> <2 ¢ alert> in a lot of the games, tougher mobs get avoided, that would make the population get tougher... kinda like how hunting larger rack deer makes for ssmaller racks...
[15:27:39] <CyaNox> He just won't be allowed in here/
[15:28:37] <loufoque> Darker_Dreams: I ranted on youtube that PS sucked because server content wasn't open.
[15:28:40] <loufoque> No big deal.
[15:29:00] <Mononoke> loufoque: please explain that to tuxide on #planeshift
[15:29:14] <CyaNox> loufoque: I've seen that aswell and since you did not say it from a PT perspective or even mentioned PT your clean.
[15:29:22] <CyaNox> You where just stating yout opinion.
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[15:29:47] <Darker_Dreams> except now Tuxide's using it as fodder to "prove" that PT is "out to get" PS.
[15:30:02] <MacChesney> good day to you all..
[15:30:07] <MacChesney> how goes the project?
[15:30:15] <loufoque> it's youtube anyway
[15:30:23] <loufoque> it's made so that you can put stupid trollish comments
[15:31:19] <CyaNox> loufoque: However I'd rather see abstain from doing such things since that only hurts us as in PT.
[15:31:29] <CyaNox> +you
[15:31:47] <Mononoke> Induane: hehe http://peragro.org/node/22
[15:32:03] <Darker_Dreams> except it's a big connected internet, and what you troll over here feeds the troll over there.
[15:32:08] <Darker_Dreams> ergo- you fed the troll.
[15:32:45] <Darker_Dreams> because you *are* associated PT (in logs if nothing else) it *does* reflect on PT.
[15:32:54] <Mononoke> yeah and now we have troll market crash /o\
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[15:33:16] <CyaNox> Mononoke: No. We are trong enough to be stable.
[15:33:21] <CyaNox> +S
[15:33:37] <Mononoke> anyway who has acces to fix site ?
[15:33:46] <CyaNox> I have.
[15:33:48] <Mononoke> 15:28 < [omni]> hmm... the Source Code is CC but the ARtwork is GPL? heh.. would ahve expected that to be flipped
[15:34:19] <Bamko> well, it is amazing how they ignore the thousands of non-associated individuals ( like me) who point out something stupid/wrong, but if you ever become associated with another project, then it is "THEM" that is out to get PS...
[15:34:22] <CyaNox> yes seems Induane made a big booboo
[15:35:21] <Bamko> Imagine the same thing in.. say.. landscaping... if you quit (or stop using my company) then it is you, but if you use another service.. or go work for them.. it is a conspiricy.
[15:35:34] <CyaNox> Mononoke: happy now?
[15:35:59] <Mononoke> CyaNox: thanks
[15:36:14] <Bamko> um... no... lawnmowers will go work elsewhere... as devs would... and players would go elsewhere.. what, we should just sell our computers for scrap and give up on gaming because we disagree with one of their edicts?
[15:36:55] <Bamko> (or general philosophy... you get the point)
[15:37:42] <MacChesney> so y'all think peragro has more potential than PS?
[15:38:24] <CyaNox> yes but that question is wrong in here since we all are quite biased.
[15:38:31] <Bamko> I think the open source envirionment has infinitely more potential than a closed source one....
[15:39:05] <Induane> I do as well
[15:39:06] <MacChesney> explain to me why cyanox
[15:39:26] <CyaNox> Bamko Already did.
[15:39:59] <MacChesney> Im awol from PS at the moment, so if you guys can give me some good reasons i may join you
[15:40:10] <Induane> Its simple differences
[15:40:14] <Induane> or rather the spirit of the thing
[15:40:15] <Bamko> heh, I am not CyaNox, but I bet if you went to a MS Vista support channel, they would tell you why Vista is better than anything else... does not make it true.. (to elaborate)
[15:40:18] <Induane> our content is open as well
[15:41:30] <Bamko> question is, as I see it is this (I am not affiliated with either game) do you want yourhard work to benfit PS or the whole gaming community in general?
[15:41:58] <CyaNox> MacChesney: If you want to join then join. There is really only one reason why PT is uch better then PS. Its the liberty not only in licenses but also in the team and what you do.
[15:42:05] <Induane> Our resources can be utilized for other projects, its all about not making everyone reinvent the wheel.
[15:42:25] <Bamko> PS is a good thing to do, if you agree with their plans... and think that is the way to go... It has value.. but if I ever made a giraffe, I dont want to give my rights to it to them... to the exclusion of everyone else.
[15:43:10] <CyaNox> (Not to mention that copyright in many countries is not transferable.)
[15:43:25] <Bamko> I wonder how many times devs and coders have re-invented the wheel, literally.
[15:43:44] <CyaNox> that happens on a daily basis.
[15:43:59] <Mononoke> even in here
[15:44:00] <Induane> Also contribuing here is much easier. You just do it. There are no applications etc, you just work where you feel you can have the best positive impact or where your interests lie
[15:44:09] <CyaNox> its also a good thing since my wheel might actually be much better then your wheel in certain situations.
[15:44:28] <Induane> True, otoh inheritance isn't bad either
[15:44:30] <Induane> can save alot of time
[15:45:19] <CyaNox> MacChesney: Only thing you might want at some point is svn commit acces which is done by sendimg me a password (in pm or mail) and I'll link it to your nickname.
[15:45:19] <MacChesney> Mmm..
[15:46:06] <MacChesney> Interesting..
[15:46:09] <CyaNox> (Even if you did send me a password right now without us knowing what you can do or who you are I'll still apply it).
[15:46:12] <MacChesney> And thansk CyaNox
[15:46:56] <Bamko> I know a new dev-type... he applied to PS... they wanted him to learn this and that.. do a bunch of crud to prove his worth... nothing that woudl help ingame and would take him about 6 months to learn (his estimate)... he contacted PT and spent the next weekend working on a small animal.
[15:47:19] <Induane> its in svn now
[15:47:28] <Bamko> I do not discourage anyone from helping out anyone... but PT seems to make it easy...
[15:47:34] <MacChesney> In fairness PS code is quite sophisticated .. so it does take a while to learn no?
[15:47:40] <MacChesney> But i wouldnt no, im no coder..
[15:47:43] <Induane> Sophisticated and also very buggy
[15:47:43] <CyaNox> helping PT is easy.
[15:47:45] <Induane> ;)
[15:47:55] <loufoque> PT is still a mess
[15:47:57] <loufoque> even if way less than PS
[15:47:58] <MacChesney> Induane..
[15:48:02] <MacChesney> ur a PT supporter?
[15:48:14] <Induane> I'm a pt developer
[15:48:19] <MacChesney> :o
[15:48:19] <CyaNox> Induane is one of the main developers.
[15:48:41] <loufoque> he's also in charge of the marketing department.
[15:48:53] <MacChesney> when did you join?
[15:49:00] <Induane> Over a year ago
[15:49:06] <MacChesney> Let me have a look at the website..
[15:49:11] <CyaNox> close to two years I think.
[15:49:21] <Induane> yea just not sure :) time flies
[15:49:36] <CyaNox> it does indeed.
[15:49:47] <Bamko> I am a supporter of Open source projects in general, and do not belong to either (or any) group....I have a freind (a couple maybe, if I can keep from getting banned :p )
[15:50:12] <Mononoke> Bamko: we don't care even if you are friend of Tuxide
[15:50:17] <Mononoke> if oyu don't troll :)
[15:50:30] <Induane> :D
[15:50:45] <loufoque> Induane: how is the advertisement campaign doing?
[15:50:55] <Bamko> thanks for the site CyaNox. I will loook at it later... dunno if any of them have the graphics... I wanted.. :/
[15:51:26] <CyaNox> Bamko: Well thank kiba ( #libregamewiki ) he started it. I just happen to hot it.
[15:51:31] <CyaNox> s/hot/host/
[15:51:44] <MacChesney> whos leading this project?
[15:51:54] <Induane> loufoque atm I'm not doing anything with that. I take time to make posts or commentary about PT online many times but I'm in a rough personal spot at the moment and have some things to focus on at home for the time being.
[15:52:09] <Bamko> I talked to Tuxide once ingame .. I think... He was digging and dropping iron ore... I was making shields... he said he was giving it away.. just practicing... so i asked if I c ould save some time...and pick some up... he started interviewing me...
[15:52:13] <Induane> There is no "leader". Cyanox manages organization of things, facilitates meetings, and handles infrastructure
[15:52:15] <CyaNox> MacChesney: The main developers but I tend to take the role of management from time to time.
[15:52:34] <Bamko> like whether I needed the money... um... if I needed money, I would not waste my time on iron ore...
[15:53:48] <Mononoke> MacChesney: I tend to take CyaNox as the leader, it's always good to have someone grumpy above you
[15:54:04] * CyaNox grumps some more.
[15:54:15] <Induane> :D
[15:55:45] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; the project has a pretty open structure- people contribute, and if there's a conflict in views we work it out as a group. When a decision from "on high" needs made it's generally sueastside... but CyaNox tends to be the last word- if he feels it's worth his time.
[15:56:18] <MacChesney> do you guys have a big art department?
[15:56:27] * Darker_Dreams tries to remember the last time CyaNox had a serious dev-opinion regarding something other than what things would make him legally liable for.
[15:56:29] <CyaNox> It rarely happens that I have to force an issue since we all can work quite well together.
[15:57:12] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; not really- it's mostly sueastside, Induane, and me on modelling, Jekkar (and some other itinerants) doing textures...
[15:57:34] <Induane> We're just really prolific
[15:57:37] <Darker_Dreams> there are some new people regularly, like Thourm has started modeling some, but that's the main "artists" we've got.
[15:57:48] <Darker_Dreams> some of us are more prolific than good...
[15:57:54] <Darker_Dreams> <~
[15:57:57] <MacChesney> Is there a plan?
[15:58:02] <Darker_Dreams> generally.
[15:58:11] * Darker_Dreams points at the horizon.
[15:58:16] <Darker_Dreams> that'a'way...
[15:58:16] <Induane> in 2 years have nearly caught up with PS in terms of amount of work complete though since we're redoing the layouts for the seamless world not much is ingame atm.
[15:58:22] <Induane> MacChesney look at the wiki
[15:58:28] <Induane> :) there is lots of information there
[15:58:36] <MacChesney> will do
[15:58:40] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; seriously though, what do you mean by "plan"
[15:58:43] <Induane> wiki.peragro.org
[15:58:55] <Induane> There are release goals and the like on the tracker
[15:59:07] <Mononoke> plan is probably what's generated by pseudo settings team :)
[15:59:09] <Darker_Dreams> (some of which need revised)
[15:59:21] <Induane> true
[15:59:25] <MacChesney> err
[15:59:25] <MacChesney> plan
[15:59:31] <MacChesney> deadlines?
[15:59:33] <MacChesney> a time plan?
[15:59:34] <Induane> no
[15:59:39] <Induane> loose
[15:59:55] <Induane> no deadlines. We're all volunteers.
[15:59:55] <MacChesney> do you know what needs to be done though?
[15:59:56] <Induane> yes
[16:00:06] <MacChesney> mm..
[16:00:13] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; we have short term goals (completing the island) and long term goals (completing the game)... and some steps in between that have to be hit.
[16:00:17] <Induane> most of us who are familar with the project do, new people can ask for good starter projects to help them ease in
[16:00:36] <Darker_Dreams> like Induane said, we are volunteers... so we don't really go with deadlines- because we all have real lives too.
[16:01:20] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; what do you do? I caught that you weren't a coder... 3d art? 2d art? settings?
[16:01:22] <MacChesney> mm......
[16:01:41] <Darker_Dreams> edit; all have real lives... well, except for sue.
[16:01:46] <MacChesney> 3d
[16:01:57] <Induane> BROTHERR!
[16:02:02] <Induane> ;)
[16:02:06] <MacChesney> Hahah..
[16:02:33] <Darker_Dreams> :-D
[16:03:04] <Darker_Dreams> well, on the 3d side we've got a couple main projects.
[16:03:07] <MacChesney> can somone explain this 3d art workflow in a bit more detail?
[16:03:17] <Darker_Dreams> pick a model that seems needed.
[16:03:18] <Darker_Dreams> make it.
[16:03:21] <Darker_Dreams> commit it.
[16:03:31] <Darker_Dreams> if it turns out there's a problem, someone fixes it,
[16:03:38] <Darker_Dreams> if it needs animations, someone animates it.
[16:04:05] <Darker_Dreams> (if you can do that part, you're going to get lots of props... 'cause it's somewhere we're weak right now- sueastside's like our only animator).
[16:04:18] <Induane> Or pick one you think you can improve
[16:04:28] <Darker_Dreams> we need lots of that too.
[16:04:34] <MacChesney> what is 'anvil'?
[16:04:37] <Darker_Dreams> I don't know how good you are.
[16:04:53] <Induane> One thing that can be a good start is to take a house in a town, and make a modified version of it. That way you can ease into that same style utilizing something premade but add your own flair.
[16:05:13] <Darker_Dreams> ah... something that should probably get a header as inactive (I don't know if it's actively depriciated).
[16:06:21] <Induane> anvil was a project that has changed
[16:06:31] <Induane> no longer really relevant I think
[16:06:38] <Induane> start at a world editor for CS
[16:06:45] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; I don't know how good you are. If you want to ease into stuff there's a bunch of models we just got from various free repositories that could use upgrading and style-fitting... If you're pretty good, there's a whole list of things we can offer for you to do.
[16:06:47] <MacChesney> mm
[16:07:13] <MacChesney> What kind of style of art are we thinking of?
[16:07:19] <MacChesney> high grade?
[16:07:23] <MacChesney> basic?
[16:07:34] <Mononoke> anyone here with intelgpu and linux ?
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[16:07:54] <Mononoke> would be nice to have redhat based os as well but that's only option
[16:07:54] <Induane> vornne!@!
[16:07:56] * Darker_Dreams looks at Induane and sueastside
[16:08:05] <Induane> MacChesney really all
[16:08:27] <Induane> simpler stuff can be improved upon by senior artistst if necessary when the work is utilized
[16:08:41] <Induane> Mononoke I've never touched an intel GPU
[16:09:05] <Mononoke> Induane: few months ago I would disagree with you, now I hope you keep doing so
[16:09:13] <Induane> :)
[16:09:18] <Induane> You're on my side now!
[16:09:29] <circeavalon> the dark side
[16:09:30] * Induane joins hands with Mononoke and dances to a bongo drum beat
[16:09:34] <Mononoke> noes >.<
[16:09:57] <MacChesney> Do you think you'll make faster progress than PS is making?
[16:09:59] <Mononoke> I'm just having sleepless nights spent with attempts to fix something I have no clue about
[16:10:12] <Mononoke> MacChesney: no need for that imho
[16:10:23] <MacChesney> imho?
[16:10:24] <Induane> Its a different project with different goals
[16:10:30] <MacChesney> Ahh
[16:10:32] <Induane> Competition isn't the point.
[16:10:41] <Induane> In My Humble Opinion = imho
[16:10:45] <MacChesney> Ofcourse.. but i just want some comparison
[16:11:02] <MacChesney> So ill take that as a no? :P
[16:11:06] <Mononoke> you peobably should compare PT to worldforge or something like that
[16:11:06] <Induane> I think we've been faster lately, but there is always an eb and flow to projects and tides change occasionall.
[16:11:17] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; appearance is that PT has made faster progress... whether that continues is something of an open question. It probably depends on a variety of things outside the scope of the project itself.
[16:11:18] <Mononoke> PT is closer to worldforge (wink) than to PS
[16:11:37] <Induane> PS does artwork in a different way so the comparison is different.
[16:11:44] <Bamko> MacChesney: not all progress is forward.
[16:11:54] <Darker_Dreams> if sueastside died in a horrible bus accident, for example, we'd probably lose some significant speed...
[16:12:02] <MacChesney> 'in a different way'?
[16:12:04] <Induane> We spend more time for instance touchign up old stuff. Things like the main town in PS really haven't been changed much in years. a few new areas or textures but the base is still identical.
[16:12:12] <Mononoke> Darker_Dreams: noes circeavalon would take his place
[16:12:16] <Darker_Dreams> (or induane, or CyaNox)
[16:12:16] <Mononoke> and strart coding
[16:12:18] <Bamko> Darker_Dreams: but being open, it wouldnot prevent anyone else from continuing your work.
[16:12:22] <Darker_Dreams> right.
[16:12:42] <Bamko> if Talad decides tomorrow to shut down PS, it is over.
[16:12:42] <Induane> MacChesney they spend more time trying to go forward with new stuff and leave some old things very unpolished (think invisible barriers outside the city gates)
[16:12:42] <Darker_Dreams> Bamko; which is a strength PT has over PS- but we'd still loose momentum.
[16:12:54] <Induane> All too true
[16:13:25] <Mononoke> I wonder how sueastside feels when we are discussing possibility of his death
[16:13:26] <circeavalon> Mononoke: yeah probably
[16:13:42] <MacChesney> Right
[16:13:56] <MacChesney> Thanks, you've all been very helpful
[16:14:01] <MacChesney> ill put some thought into it
[16:14:06] <MacChesney> and return soon
[16:14:21] <MacChesney> Bye bye
[16:14:22] <Darker_Dreams> Mononoke; I've talked to him about it before.
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[16:14:34] <circeavalon> and what does he say?
[16:14:35] <Darker_Dreams> MacChesney; see you later.
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[16:14:46] <Darker_Dreams> that I'm probably right, it'd suck for PT if he died.
[16:14:49] <Darker_Dreams> ;-)
[16:14:53] <Mononoke> Darker_Dreams: what he said? that he wants to die in hands of notepad developers?
[16:16:14] <circeavalon> Mononoke: he wants to be crushed by a truck full of computers
[16:16:53] <Mononoke> :X
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[16:18:29] <Bamko> I was going to make a joke... about the current discussion, but someone joined, and out of context, joke would be... wrong.
[16:19:04] <Ionflux> hi
[16:19:09] <CyaNox> well now you've said that it will be. But in the future just joke away ... :P
[16:19:19] <Induane> :D
[16:20:22] <Mononoke> next time someone joins out of context I'll just say death to PS and watch reaction >.>
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[16:21:10] <Bamko> heh, seems they think that anyway...
[16:21:27] <Induane> Right
[16:21:30] <CyaNox> so
[16:21:34] <Induane> they will assume that it means we want to kill PS
[16:21:56] <Induane> heck most don't realize they were the ones who openly rejected all collaboration
[16:21:58] <Bamko> I mean... I wish them luck... but they can not say people are willingly submiting to their rules.. and then be mad when people leave because of them... and blame others.
[16:22:30] <Induane> Well I can understand their points at times, and its not all falacious. I just don't like being accused of bizzare non existant conspiracies
[16:22:58] <Mononoke> okay I'll go back with the usual.. death to amerika stuff (hides)
[16:22:58] <Induane> or the implication that if a few people leave PS because of the rules (licenses whatever it may be) and join us, that it means we are a PS hater project.
[16:23:12] <Bamko> I would take it as a complement, as far as I can see, PT is the clarion call for a viable open source project that can not only be taken seriously, but has real potential.
[16:23:29] <Induane> In reality we just have a different spirit that appeals to the sorts of people who object to the licensing and structure of PS development.
[16:24:03] <Induane> But people assume that if I make a comment thats detractory about PS then it means that PT is out to get them.
[16:24:13] <Induane> I don't understand that leap of logic.
[16:24:19] <CyaNox> I have reminded many people in the past that the founders of PT have no or had no relation with PS at that time.
[16:24:48] <Mononoke> yeah only people like me ruined it :)
[16:25:29] <Mononoke> I probably wouldn't be here if I didn't flame with talad directly and got blocked from any attempt to join their develeopment :P
[16:25:43] <Induane> You flamed with Talad?
[16:25:59] <Mononoke> yep
[16:25:59] <Induane> Just use the word fought or something ;)
[16:26:17] <Mononoke> actualy many times but that time I used some words
[16:26:46] <CyaNox> Which words?
[16:26:49] <Mononoke> Well anyway it's better this way :)
[16:27:04] <Mononoke> CyaNox: I think everything from shit to cocksucker
[16:27:58] <Mononoke> so the kicking was right thing to do. I wouldn't want such person in team too
[16:28:02] <CyaNox> hhhmmm so you did not use assface and buttfucker not to mention wussie/
[16:28:29] <Induane> lol Mononoke
[16:28:35] <CyaNox> s/\//?/
[16:29:02] <Bamko> heh, I have gotten into it with just about everyone except Talad.... so far no ban.
[16:29:17] <Induane> I really only got into it with Tala
[16:29:19] <Induane> no one else
[16:29:21] <Induane> BAN
[16:29:21] <Bamko> it helps that I am not with another group.. and that I am not a coder or artist..
[16:29:41] <Mononoke> CyaNox: dunno I deleted logs
[16:29:57] <Mononoke> Induane: do you have old logs from #planeshift-build ? I think it happend there
[16:30:14] <Induane> no
[16:30:15] <Bamko> like I think it was last week.. got into a group complaint about some of their volunteers getting burtn our and becoming inactive... so i made some suggestions...
[16:31:05] <Mononoke> Bamko: just watch out to not to jump into flame with anyone. it's pointless and you won't change anything
[16:32:29] <Bamko> I was told they would never allow that, that the volunteers will do what they are told when they are told, nothing more or less.. I said, "hey, not my garden, all I can do it point out what looks good, and what looks like poison ivy, but YOU were the ones who told me they were losing interest... I now see why"
[16:32:58] <Bamko> that is abotu as strong of language as I get... :/
[16:33:10] <Bamko> unless you attack me or my wife, of course :p
[16:33:19] * Mononoke stabbs Vornne
[16:33:24] * CyaNox attacks Bamko
[16:33:24] <Mononoke> oh I missed :/
[16:33:57] <Bamko> he he heh....
[16:34:38] <Bamko> ever see the video where some jerk attacks the director who plays silent bob ?
[16:35:13] <Bamko> "never a good idea to attack the man with the microphone" been banned once today :p
[16:35:47] <Induane> heh
[16:36:00] <Induane> you mean the director :)
[16:36:00] <Induane> Keven Smith
[16:36:00] <Induane> Kevin*
[16:36:07] <Bamko> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou2mVnElp6c
[16:36:35] <Bamko> yeah, forgot his name...
[16:36:45] <Mononoke> where's azaghal ? O.o
[16:36:48] <Bamko> I am sure he has forgotten mine to, so we are even :p
[16:36:56] <Mononoke> stil in army :(
[16:46:31] <Tottel> Hi
[16:46:34] <Induane> heya!
[16:47:12] <Tottel> Hi Induane :)
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[16:56:20] <Induane> Airbornex !!!
[16:58:02] <Airbornex> hey ind!
[16:58:18] * Induane glomps Airbornex
[16:58:33] <Induane> Good to see ya coming by still :)
[16:59:10] <Airbornex> :)
[17:00:48] <Induane> I'm about to break for lunch though
[17:01:10] <Induane> so will be afkish
[17:01:10] <Mononoke> I'm realy getting mad from math
[17:03:19] <Induane> Math always makes me mad.
[17:03:24] <Induane> Factoring
[17:03:26] <Induane> I hate factoring
[17:03:31] <Induane> most useless skill I was ever taught
[17:03:40] <Induane> They should teach the quadratic equation and leave out factoring
[17:03:46] <Induane> it only ever works in specially though up problems
[17:04:00] <Induane> real world stuff is rarely kind enough to work out like that
[17:05:42] <Mononoke> I'm doing function analysis =]
[17:06:07] <Mononoke> interpolation,limits,derivation,integrals and such stuff atm :/
[17:06:35] <Mononoke> I'll never use it and if so I'll have to read it from wiki anyway
[17:06:36] <Induane> calc!
[17:06:41] <Darker_Dreams> calculus... mmmm...
[17:06:49] <Bamko> real world math: ok, one weapons scores 23-150 damage but only one per 1.6 seconds, while 2handed deals 3-43 and 6-41 per .53 and .74 respectively, which is better.. 9rough example to math I did recently)
[17:06:55] <Induane> :D!
[17:07:18] <Mononoke> Bamko: I could give you full acurate list of all PS weapons >.>
[17:07:29] <Darker_Dreams> yeah, but calc lets you know if it's scaling properly per level ;-)
[17:07:47] <Bamko> that would be nice Mononoke,
[17:08:02] <Bamko> but I wasn't talking pS
[17:08:14] <Mononoke> Bamko: I wouldn't do it anyway :)
[17:08:18] <Bamko> that was from dungeon runners.. I think it is called.
[17:08:58] <Bamko> heh, politian promiser!
[17:09:24] <Darker_Dreams> reasons I like the PT system better than the PS system- should be impossible to get a full accurate list of all PT weapons...
[17:09:39] <Mononoke> Darker_Dreams: how so ?
[17:09:46] <Darker_Dreams> customizable crafting.
[17:10:00] <Mononoke> well still there will be some math behind
[17:10:36] <Mononoke> I got my list from collecting stats about cca 100 weapons and counting all possible combinations from it. imho it will be same in PT
[17:10:37] <Darker_Dreams> when the crafting system is in place (in another 10 years) players will be able to create a nigh-infinite number of weapon designs.
[17:10:58] <Darker_Dreams> there will be math behind it- but it'll be formulae, not stats.
[17:11:14] <Mononoke> they have pseudo formulae :)
[17:11:30] <Bamko> heh, and players like me will backwards engineer it to find some numbers to crunch...
[17:11:35] <Darker_Dreams> trade X to get Y, Y to get Z, better starting skill and materials get you more A that you can trade.
[17:11:39] <Darker_Dreams> meh, that's fine.
[17:11:55] <Bamko> like I did in PS for exp and PPs for metalurgy... he he he
[17:12:02] <Mononoke> Bamko: why reverse engineering when you have sources
[17:12:03] <Induane> PP's blow ass
[17:12:04] <Induane> ;)
[17:12:15] <Darker_Dreams> if the formulae are done right I should be able to hand you them up front and let you pick where you want to be within your 4-8 dimensional budget constraint.
[17:12:17] <Bamko> heh, good point.
[17:12:24] <Bamko> an open source... he he he
[17:12:29] <Darker_Dreams> PP?
[17:13:05] <CyaNox> Induane: Waaaay too much text ... but your playing it cool though.
[17:13:28] <Mononoke> hmm but Darker_Dreams has point, if done right it doesn't matter if oyu have sourcecode and formulae
[17:14:02] <Bamko> Darker_Dreams: Progression Points.
[17:14:24] <Mononoke> CyaNox: where what text ?
[17:15:07] <CyaNox> http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=125481&bhcp=1
[17:15:11] <Darker_Dreams> You'll notice that 90+% of my design have no assumption of incomplete information and assume the worst possible cheating from players. I rely on the coders to get rid of some (teleport exploits) and use the system to put the rest at the point of diminishing returns.
[17:16:12] <Darker_Dreams> why macro a boring ability when you've got [[hobbies]] and do [[progression]] in what you're doing anyway? add in that most boring skills will (hopefully) have minigames included, and you're off to the races.
[17:16:12] <JohnTitor> Wiki links triggered: http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Hobbies , http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Progression
[17:16:30] <Mononoke> woha so much text
[17:16:40] <Darker_Dreams> oh, PPs sucked- I still don't get that. Any system that requires you level a skill twice is a little silly.
[17:17:09] <Bamko> Darker_Dreams: I asked about minigames in PS, I was told I could play checkers...
[17:17:16] <Induane> CyaNox well it seemed that I needed to be wordy to appropriately examine what was going on and explain things completely.
[17:17:23] <Induane> Plus I'm long winded by nature :)
[17:17:26] <Bamko> I told them i would rather watch tv than play freakin checkers.
[17:17:49] <Darker_Dreams> heh.
[17:17:54] <Darker_Dreams> [[minigames]]
[17:17:54] <JohnTitor> Wiki links triggered: http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Minigames
[17:19:03] * Darker_Dreams coughs...
[17:19:05] <Darker_Dreams> try now.
[17:19:10] <CyaNox> Induane: Well imo it could be done in quite a bit less text ... nonetheless it seems to be acurate ... thus good.
[17:19:56] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] Darker Dreams: Minigames (Redirecting to Category:Minigames) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Minigames&diff=5697&oldid=prev
[17:20:30] <Induane> CyaNox its quite possible :) I'm just not very terse ;)
[17:22:08] <Tottel> Induane: It's a nice and fluently written text :)
[17:22:09] <Induane> What he said was quite insulting to worldforge as well. That offended me too. The people htere have been really cool
[17:22:24] <Induane> thanks Tottel :)
[17:22:30] <Induane> Ignore the hideous grammer :)
[17:22:39] <Tottel> I couldn't see any spelling mistakes..
[17:22:53] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] CyaNox: Minigames (Removing redirection page from catagory.) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Minigames&diff=5698&oldid=prev
[17:22:56] <Tottel> Maybe If I would read it more closely again..., but i'm not going too ^^
[17:23:32] <Bamko> so how would a mini-game on crafting work? I see mention of it, but ... any ideas?
[17:24:17] <Induane> Spelling should be fine, I spell checked it.
[17:24:26] <Induane> Grammar otoh
[17:24:27] <Induane> ugg
[17:24:30] <Darker_Dreams> Bamko; I've got some ideas, but nothing concrete.
[17:24:30] <Induane> run on sentences
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[17:24:34] <Induane> sentence fragments
[17:24:37] <Induane> those always plague me
[17:24:38] <Tottel> I'm not a native english speaker :)
[17:24:42] <Induane> ahh
[17:24:44] <Tottel> It seems perfect for me :D
[17:24:47] <Induane> you won't notice too badly then :D
[17:24:48] <Mononoke> Induane: oh my god you took 5 minutes of my life with that text
[17:24:49] <Induane> I didn't even know
[17:24:54] <Induane> your english seems bery good to me
[17:24:54] <Tottel> to me*
[17:25:17] * Induane steals 5 more minutes of Mononoke's life just for kicks
[17:25:23] <Mononoke> ;.;
[17:25:24] <Induane> very*
[17:25:26] <Induane> ;)
[17:25:31] <Tottel> hehe
[17:25:39] * Mononoke dies 10minutes before the truck hits
[17:26:10] <Tottel> well.. If you have a pc when your quite young, it helps to improve youor english :)
[17:26:52] <Induane> Probably true
[17:26:57] <Induane> I wish I was at least bilingual
[17:27:14] <Induane> I know a few phrases in spanish, and a few nouns. I can almost read it sort of.
[17:27:17] <Tottel> It's never too late to learn a second language
[17:27:19] <Induane> Can't speak a lick though.
[17:27:43] <Induane> I'd have to have time/motivation to do it on my own. I do not do well with classroom settings when it comes to learning.
[17:27:48] <Mononoke> Induane: I'd study chinese being you
[17:27:53] <Tottel> In theory, I should be able to speak 4 languages
[17:27:56] <Tottel> but I can only speak 3 :p
[17:29:03] <Mononoke> which ones?
[17:29:06] <Induane> Mononoke for what reason?
[17:29:25] <Mononoke> Induane: you'll need it when they come and look on stuff they bought
[17:29:33] <Tottel> Dutch, French, English, and I can read and understand German
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[17:29:39] <Induane> wb!
[17:30:35] <Bamko> hmm... I dunno what happened... my Mibbit and my IE decided to lock up my windows OS! (got to love computers you can not work on).
[17:30:43] <Mononoke> Tottel: well I studied german(8years) and french(3years) but somehow my brain refused them both. Even my english is tragic (5years)
[17:30:53] <Bamko> sometimes I feel an etchascetch would be better.
[17:30:57] <Tottel> :)
[17:30:58] <Darker_Dreams> hehe
[17:31:24] <Bamko> Darker, I asked question and sa you had some ideas... nothing after that...
[17:31:46] <Bamko> may i ask, what kind of ideas?
[17:32:24] <Darker_Dreams> Bamko; The idea leading the pack is a game where you fit tetris-like pieces into a object-shaped space.
[17:33:15] <Darker_Dreams> its not a particularly new idea, but it fits the *theme* of what's going on and it's easily scalable (larger pieces, larger space to fill)
[17:33:23] <Bamko> hmmm... seems like there would be something... more relevant... but it would be a hard one to figure out...
[17:33:30] * Darker_Dreams nods.
[17:33:43] <Darker_Dreams> I'm open to ideas.
[17:33:54] <Darker_Dreams> but right now, I've got to get ready and go to class.
[17:33:59] <Induane> hehe
[17:34:00] <Induane> see ya
[17:34:09] <Bamko> like... and just TOMAH ... but... temperatures matter.. and amounts... and colors and types of metals determine temperatures..
[17:34:33] <Bamko> heh, ok. well, I'll be around... somewhere ;-)
[17:34:49] <Darker_Dreams> TOMAH?
[17:35:04] <Bamko> Talking Out My Alligator Here..
[17:35:11] <Darker_Dreams> heh.
[17:35:34] <Bamko> unique to me... I use it when I am not giving orders.. and have not put A LOT of thought into something yet.. like brainstorming..
[17:36:04] <Bamko> I actually use it IRL.
[17:36:23] <Bamko> because my opinion is valued by some... and sometimes I am just... well.. TOMAH.
[17:36:25] <Darker_Dreams> a lot of the actual construction is going to be abstracted- I don't want players to have to be honest to god chemists, physicists, or even craftsmen to make stuff... it needs to be somewhat simple.
[17:37:10] <Darker_Dreams> Puzzle minigames tend to work best.
[17:37:13] <Bamko> yeah, well, would not be bad if they actually kinda learned tempering and stuff, even if they do not know that is what it is called.
[17:37:13] <Darker_Dreams> as a general rule.
[17:37:42] <Darker_Dreams> it wouldn't, but I'm not sure I want to have to come up with a unique minigame for each type of crafting.
[17:37:47] <Bamko> at least have it relevant...some game where proportions and timing matter maybe?
[17:37:53] <Mononoke> gah I think that instead of teaching math in future they should teach searching stuff on wikipedia and using gnu/octave or maple
[17:38:12] <Darker_Dreams> bah, I've gotta go. I'll be back when I'm in class.
[17:38:15] <Bamko> heh, that is what we have the whole gaming community for... just need to find open source ones, eh?
[17:38:24] <Darker_Dreams> [[dreamtime]]
[17:38:24] <JohnTitor> Wiki links triggered: http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Dreamtime
[17:38:35] <Darker_Dreams> I definitely want to continue this conversation though.
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[17:38:40] <Bamko> Mononoke: would would teach that?
[17:39:14] <Bamko> most teachers I know have trouble with google.....
[17:39:31] <Mononoke> hehe teacher on our uni doesn't :P
[17:40:24] <Mononoke> his presentations are, his text, wikipedia, texts from other schools (tabbing that on one screen) and maple on other screen
[17:45:29] <Mononoke> Bamko: something like this http://x86.sk/~social/_pics/math.png
[17:47:44] <Bamko> Reason: The category "Illegal or Questionable" is filtered.
[17:47:52] <Bamko> firewalled again.
[17:48:15] <Bamko> I would rather be rick rolled than firewalled...
[17:48:25] <Bamko> (not that I am asking for that!)
[17:48:41] <Mononoke> what the fuck? x86.sk isn't known =]
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[17:49:06] <Mononoke> does your fw ban any unknown site or it has to be on some blacklist?
[17:49:06] <Eklina> o/
[17:49:15] <Bamko> mefarlge the whatits?
[17:49:34] <Eklina> what language is that, Bamko? :)
[17:49:38] <Bamko> I dunno.. we are not allowed to know those city secrets.
[17:50:14] <Bamko> Eklina: it is the one I use to illustrate that I have no idea what someone just said ;p
[17:50:22] <Eklina> hehe, ok
[17:51:27] <Bamko> I actually got it from my mom.. when i was younger..
[17:51:49] <Induane> I've used similar statements as well.
[17:51:54] <Induane> Its always funnier in my head :D
[17:51:58] <Bamko> So I mefargle the computroler? next thing I knew, the service guy was coming out.
[17:52:29] <Induane> :D
[17:52:33] <Induane> Whatever works
[17:52:37] <Eklina> :)
[17:52:45] <Bamko> If some tells me "yes" I just ask them "how"?
[17:53:36] <Bamko> I think it illustrates the point, "just because I have picked up some of your jargon, does not mean I know what we are talking about"
[17:58:20] <Induane> I don't talk to tech supporty
[17:58:24] <Induane> I just lie my way to advanced
[17:58:36] <Induane> Don't much with their lame checklists at level 1
[18:00:08] <sueastside> Induane: !!!
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[18:00:29] <Eklina> a meflarge sounds like it would be a good name for a big, two-handed mace
[18:00:32] <Bamko> if the checklist is so good, why dont they post them on their site... if checklists were any good, most would never need to call.
[18:01:13] <Bamko> heh, maybe that is why no one likes to hear I am going to Mefargle their product....
[18:01:21] <Eklina> hehe, I suppose they wouldn't
[18:01:33] <Bamko> wait.. dont mefarlge it!
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[18:03:02] <Mononoke> ok most uber weapon type should be mefarlged XY :P
[18:03:49] <Bamko> heh, reminds me of the old days, when you could type a bunch of crud in a dos window... and have last line be Format c and wait for the person using that desk to come back.
[18:04:21] <Bamko> enter enter to clear up space... (I remember when "Y" was the default) and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO , not format C! "
[18:04:23] <Induane> I used to make floppy disks with dos on them
[18:04:42] <Induane> and have the autoexec.bat file format hard drives
[18:04:53] <iavramov> I used to take apart floppy disks to see what was inside of them
[18:04:54] <Induane> I'd leave them around school with labels that said "virus cleaner boot disk"
[18:05:09] <iavramov> bad Induane!
[18:05:13] <Mononoke> iavramov: and look on sun trough floppy
[18:05:21] <iavramov> yes :)
[18:05:22] <CyaNox> I wrote some .bat scripts to fill up any media it could find with pointless random files.
[18:05:24] <Induane> or later when they all had windows95 I'd just have it delete the file vga.sys
[18:05:29] <Bamko> he he he.. you resemble that remark... he he he
[18:05:34] <Induane> any time after that it would bluescreen the computer if you wanted to boot
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[18:06:31] <iavramov> hi, recon69
[18:06:57] <recon69> good evening iavramov , everyone
[18:12:33] <hooloovoo> indy!
[18:12:58] <sueastside> where is my welcome?
[18:13:14] <hooloovoo> sueastside!!!! \o/ WOOOH
[18:13:25] * hooloovoo humps sues leg
[18:14:05] <Bamko> ~¿Ó
[18:14:22] <Bamko> X¿X
[18:15:10] <hooloovoo> Heya bamko, newcomer or just a nick change?
[18:15:10] <sueastside> just just the solo action of hooloovoo, come on you people, im like your god or something, raise the roof!
[18:15:38] <hooloovoo> sueastside: You would be our god if you were a hot girl.
[18:15:59] <sueastside> i have a hot girlfriend, does that count?
[18:16:05] <hooloovoo> No, sorry.
[18:16:20] <hooloovoo> Saw she uploaded the cutest pic of you two to facebook the other day
[18:16:22] <hooloovoo> awww
[18:16:49] <sueastside> she bit me!
[18:17:06] <hooloovoo> And you liked it
[18:17:36] <Bamko> um.. I have been in before... but not a huge amount.. I have seen ya before.
[18:17:44] <sueastside> hell no, i was screaming like a hot girl...
[18:17:54] <hooloovoo> Why am i not surprised?
[18:18:25] <Mononoke> sueastside: O.o where did she bit you?
[18:18:56] <Bamko> hot, as in on fire? otherwise unsure of a lot of Hot screaming girls....
[18:19:06] <Induane> Girls sound hotter if they scream
[18:19:14] <hooloovoo> They sure do
[18:19:22] <Bamko> um... no thanks.
[18:19:27] * Mononoke remembers watching some beatles wideo and disagrees with iavramov
[18:19:27] <sueastside> Mononoke: right in the face
[18:19:31] <Mononoke> *Induane
[18:19:43] <Bamko> but I was married to that kinda crazy... so I might be biased.
[18:19:44] <iavramov> huh?
[18:19:53] <iavramov> disagrees with me about what?
[18:19:54] <Mononoke> *vide
[18:20:03] <Mononoke> argh nevermind I have to study
[18:20:08] <Bamko> iavramov: I think Mononoke meant Induane
[18:21:14] <hooloovoo> Mononoke: glhf
[18:25:30] <Bamko> and back to the mefargle...
[18:26:23] <hooloovoo> mefargle?
[18:27:37] <Bamko> yeah,.. long uninteresting story... suffice it to say, it means basiclly "huh, I dont understand that...
[18:27:48] <Bamko> nuance involved.. but meh, close enough.
[18:28:11] <hooloovoo> emmm
[18:31:25] <hooloovoo> Channel died :(
[18:31:42] <hooloovoo> It always feels like i'm the one responsible for that.
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[18:36:22] <Bamko> um... what channel died?
[18:36:38] <Bamko> oh.. got quiet.. sorry.
[18:36:54] <Bamko> I was waiting for a follow up to "emmmm"
[18:37:54] <hooloovoo> I didn't come up with anything more than "emmm"
[18:37:59] <Darker_Dreams> Bamko; hopefully, I established I'm not opposed to using other open stuff for minigames- i'm more worried about scaling the minigame to the task.
[18:38:32] <Bamko> yeah, I was just going to brainstorm a bit... no biggie.
[18:38:56] <Darker_Dreams> ie; you don't want something that takes longer than a minsweeper level when doing lockpicks; ergo [[tumbler]]- but you want something that's large(er) (and surreal) for dreamtime.
[18:38:56] <JohnTitor> Wiki links triggered: http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Tumbler
[18:39:17] <Darker_Dreams> I'd be all for teaching- but I'm not sure how to do that and keep it sized appropriately.
[18:39:20] <Bamko> I was just thinking... with as little as some people know about metalwork... it would be nice if some aspects were reflected, even if only timing, proportions and colors...
[18:39:40] <Darker_Dreams> especially and have the difficulty scalable to both player ability and character skill.
[18:39:55] <Darker_Dreams> re; character skill/task difficulty
[18:40:30] <Mononoke> recon69: sorry for annoying is the virtual function stuff fixed ?
[18:43:02] <recon69> Mononoke. virtual function? not sure what you mean.
[18:43:46] <Mononoke> I would have to reboot to centos, there was some iBody or something what failed to compile
[18:46:05] <recon69> Mononoke: well, it's not integrated and needs lots of work. probably just looking for imybody.h in the includes folder
[18:46:34] * Mononoke nods
[18:47:04] <recon69> Mononoke: can you check that missing file, as I'll upload it to get rid of the compile error
[18:47:38] <recon69> Mononoke: actually past the error
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[18:52:17] <Bamko> do any of you guys know anything about P2P gaming? like personal exp or thoughts... not wikipedia links...
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[18:52:55] <Bamko> in my medicine induced stupor I was looking at that over the weekend...
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[18:57:55] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] Darker Dreams: Tal'Anee (Religion: ) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Tal%27Anee&diff=5699&oldid=prev
[19:01:31] <Bamko> interesting... you know... a lot of 2 god stories out there... I have not seen one yet, other than in this world we call earth... and even that I am unsure of... but... what if (TOMAH alert!)
[19:01:58] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] Darker Dreams: Tal'Anee (Por'Taem: ) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Tal%27Anee&diff=5700&oldid=prev
[19:02:04] <Bamko> one god brought water, anouther pussed back the advances.... so.. tides... tidal waves and floods and droughts all could be tied into it.
[19:02:20] <Bamko> assuming a moon.. otherwise tides would be truely magical....
[19:02:29] <Bamko> pushed*
[19:03:59] <Bamko> or maybe.. the water god loves the moon... always rushing towards it... because the tides do that... but when they havwe a fight... tidal wave... but meh... no one asked... :X
[19:05:53] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] Darker Dreams: Tal'Anee (Far'Maen: ) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Tal%27Anee&diff=5701&oldid=prev
[19:06:06] <Darker_Dreams> this is just a small island religion.
[19:06:15] <Darker_Dreams> religion/set of religions.
[19:06:25] <Darker_Dreams> something to work with for tal'anee.
[19:06:41] <Bamko> There are two major religions and one cult which seems impossible to eradicate on the island. um.. trying to irradicate all 3, or just the cult :-)
[19:07:03] <Darker_Dreams> the 3 main cultures (which we're nowhere near ready to implement) each will have their own religion.
[19:07:06] <Darker_Dreams> the cult.
[19:07:08] <Darker_Dreams> :-p
[19:08:06] <hooloovoo> The cult!! \o/
[19:08:56] <JohnTitor> [WIKI] Darker Dreams: Tal'Anee (Religion: ) http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php?title=Tal%27Anee&diff=5702&oldid=prev
[19:09:14] <Darker_Dreams> better?
[19:10:22] <Bamko> yeah, I think so.
[19:10:48] <Bamko> at first I thought the secularist were running the island :-)
[19:11:31] <Darker_Dreams> heh.
[19:11:45] <Darker_Dreams> medieval-type society; what secularists?
[19:12:57] <recon69> the rich and the priesthood :)
[19:14:07] <Bamko> um.. is this a world with moon(s) and a sun... I assume since night and day and tides....
[19:14:19] <Darker_Dreams> yeah...
[19:16:57] * Darker_Dreams waits for the question or comment...
[19:17:39] <Bamko> oh... um <clears throat> "good". ?
[19:18:16] <Bamko> I just could not find reference to it.. and they are such a big part of local customs and such...
[19:18:22] <Darker_Dreams> [[calender]] [[moons]]
[19:18:22] <JohnTitor> Wiki links triggered: http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Calender , http://wiki.peragro.org/index.php/Moons
[19:19:12] <Bamko> I went to game world.. ecosystem... ok.. checking out...
[19:19:56] <Darker_Dreams> speaking of; hey, recon69- how's it coming with putting the moons in the sky?
[19:22:03] <recon69> Darker_Dreams: well, got the basics, but have to work out how to get PT to use it, and do a lot of fixes on mybody. currently working out what changed with 1.9 and dynamic lights
[19:22:22] <hooloovoo> Lol... This moron in #planeshift is telling me his fully working CPU has a max power consuption of 30W under heavy load.
[19:22:45] <Darker_Dreams> cool. (I have no idea what that means- looks like a lot of stuff to do though. eh?)
[19:22:54] <hooloovoo> It's a C2D E6600
[19:23:36] <Bamko> hooloovoo: is that too much? too little...
[19:23:47] <hooloovoo> wayyyy too little
[19:23:55] <Bamko> I have a 60 watt bulb in the bathroom.....
[19:24:01] <hooloovoo> They usually are about 70W idle
[19:24:02] <Bamko> he he he
[19:24:09] <Mononoke> hooloovoo: what does he know about computers and what do you know aboud them ? :) beter listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNO6tFuTEc :P
[19:24:11] <hooloovoo> Maybe 170 load
[19:24:19] <Bamko> no wonder they have to get rid of so much heat..
[19:24:34] <hooloovoo> yup
[19:24:36] <recon69> Darker_Dreams: well, not that much really, hope to have something going in the next week as i will be away for the 2 weeks following
[19:25:03] <Darker_Dreams> getting it done next week= sweet!
[19:25:16] <Darker_Dreams> being gone for the 2 following= sad!.
[19:25:21] <Darker_Dreams> you doing something fun?
[19:25:24] <Bamko> can I ask.. who cares how much power your CPU uses? I mean... not like I am designing the heat control system or anything...
[19:26:06] <Bamko> that is like talking about how much metal it took to make your car.... unless you are recycling it... meh.
[19:26:23] <Bamko> at least to me... maybe I am missing something here...
[19:27:11] <hooloovoo> It's just annoying.
[19:27:26] <recon69> Darker_Dreams: no, just 2 weeks helping my mum out at home, going to be 2weeks of internet/computer withdrawal
[19:27:43] <Darker_Dreams> recon69; then 2 weeks gone= really sad.
[19:35:56] <Darker_Dreams> bored now.
[19:37:28] <circeavalon> me too
[19:38:28] <Bamko> Survivors of Vaern Hmm.. that looks familair....
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[19:39:23] <iavramov> that sounds like the PS guild that's now making Ura: Trinity Reign
[19:39:54] <Induane> It is
[19:39:56] <Bamko> making ura?
[19:39:58] <Induane> similar to how I got here
[19:40:04] <Bamko> what is that?
[19:40:06] <Induane> Guild Community of Vaalnor
[19:40:15] <Induane> Brought Vaalnor here along with the CMP
[19:40:21] <Induane> taking that vision with me
[19:40:28] <Induane> Ura project is a mmo project
[19:40:37] <Induane> similar to PT or Worldforge or PS or a host of others
[19:40:49] <Induane> there wasn't a place for Ura in the vision of PS
[19:40:58] <Bamko> oh, the name "Survivors of Vaern " i got off of your wiki...
[19:41:00] <Induane> And so they started their own
[19:41:10] <Induane> Bamko they work with us from time to time
[19:41:17] <Bamko> cool.. open source too?
[19:41:23] <Induane> if their stuff sort of backfires I've left a backdoor for some things
[19:41:30] <sueastside> circeavalon: HONEY
[19:41:32] <Induane> non affiliated peoples and the like
[19:41:42] <Induane> where they could mesh in some of Vaern
[19:41:55] <Induane> should their project not get off the ground in the same manner
[19:42:01] <Induane> afaik its open source
[19:42:05] <Induane> I hadn't actually checked
[19:42:15] <Induane> there is talk of sharing art back and fourth with them
[19:42:21] <Induane> I've made a few models for them
[19:42:24] <Induane> Yill had made some for us
[19:42:25] <Induane> :)
[19:42:29] <Bamko> i dont seem them in the link I got earlier... http://www.libregamewiki.org/Main_Page
[19:42:39] <Induane> they are a much newer project
[19:43:10] <Bamko> ahh... cool, well, Ill keep my ear to the road... I hope to hear something bout them...
[19:43:30] <Bamko> if they want to utilize glompzilla, they are welcome, of course :p
[19:45:02] <hooloovoo> So much new things??!
[19:45:10] <hooloovoo> Induane: New mmorpg?
[19:45:15] <hooloovoo> Bamko: Glompzilla?
[19:45:39] <hooloovoo> Bah, explain later. I've gotta go!
[19:45:43] <Bamko> glompzilla is a site I am hoping to be of use...
[19:45:56] <Bamko> bah... ask later ;-)
[19:46:08] <hooloovoo> ;)
[19:47:43] <Induane> lol!
[19:50:32] <Bamko> http://www.libregamewiki.org/MMORPG only PT looks 3d....
[19:51:39] <Bamko> IMHO the photo should be one from ingame.. when art gets back ingame... that castle is not used yet, if I remember correctly.
[19:52:06] <Mononoke> btw what happend with jekkar?
[19:52:23] <Bamko> Impressive, but seeing people gives an idea of playability..
[19:52:44] <Bamko> <poking head back into shell>>
[19:53:03] <Darker_Dreams> Bamko; nothing's really ingame yet.
[19:53:10] <Darker_Dreams> and, class is over and I've got errands.
[19:53:11] <Darker_Dreams> later.
[19:53:12] <Rakhun> art isn't going _back_ into the game though, for a while
[19:53:19] <Rakhun> bye Darker_Dreams
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[19:53:47] <Bamko> hmm.. I thought it was going to be.. like in a month or so.. what kinda timeline we looking at?
[19:54:26] <Rakhun> the art going in now is all new, going to be in the release, after that I guess the old stuff will be back in
[19:55:08] <Bamko> so when will the release be, approx?
[19:55:25] <Bamko> or at least have the art in it... some art.. any art..
[19:56:38] <Rakhun> I don't know, but there is a little bit of art in already, but that's mostly just terrain
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[20:16:14] <CyaNox> hooloovoo: I don't think its that strange for a C2D to have 30W power consumption. Mu laptop for instance has a C2D and a 90W PSU. That means I'll never pull more then that. Also it rarely pulls more then 45W and that is including my fully lit 17" (1920x1200) screen.
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[20:50:40] <Induane> caedes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[20:51:56] <caedes> hey
[20:55:21] <Induane> heya
[20:55:22] <Induane> :)
[20:55:26] <Induane> how be you :)
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[21:03:48] <Induane> whoo
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[21:04:19] <Induane> am I really back?
[21:04:23] <Induane> hellp!
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[21:04:57] <Rakhun> yes you were
[21:05:00] <Induane> weird
[21:05:02] <Induane> it freaked
[21:07:40] * Mononoke Damien Saez - Jeune et con
[21:31:58] <Induane> msg sueastside know what I want for my birthday?
[21:32:00] <Induane> damn!
[21:32:11] <Induane> now everyone will know I demanded nookie!
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[21:38:01] <hooloovoo> WAAAHAHAH
[21:38:10] <hooloovoo> indy got owned
[21:41:57] <Tottel|away> When's your birthday?
[21:45:33] <hooloovoo> Induane: We know, that's all you ever demand.
[21:52:16] <Induane> Tottel|away it was the 20th
[21:53:27] <Mononoke> how old are you Induane ?
[21:56:48] <sueastside> 30
[21:57:39] <Mononoke> O.o
[21:57:48] <Mononoke> Induane: you are going to die!
[22:01:15] <Induane> sweet!
[22:01:15] <Induane> you too
[22:01:15] <Induane> someday
[22:01:23] <Mononoke> ^.^ anyway enjoy
[22:05:49] <hooloovoo> Induane: Feeling good to be 30?
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[22:06:54] <Induane> In 5 years it will
[22:07:02] <hooloovoo> lol!
[22:08:03] <hooloovoo> Lucky me, i still have a bit to 30.
[22:08:24] <Induane> ditto
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[22:10:05] <hooloovoo> You've been very productive for being so young :P
[22:10:42] <Induane> :D
[22:11:09] <hooloovoo> How many kids you have now? 3?
[22:11:13] <Induane> 2
[22:11:23] <hooloovoo> still not bad
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[22:25:24] <Mononoke> oh :( /win 11
[22:25:29] <Mononoke> ..
[22:25:40] <hooloovoo> Yeea
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[22:37:54] <Japje> CyaNox: nikef is stuk
[22:37:55] <Japje> http://sijn.nl/img/ams-ix_20081027_2208.PNG
[22:37:59] <Japje> ams stort in
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[23:13:24] <CyaNox> Japje: Owh dear. Any problem for us?
[23:14:16] <CyaNox> Japje: No wonder I'm getting low ping times with the vps.
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[23:16:22] <CyaNox> Japje: Owh god its horrible on the connectivity page!
[23:19:08] <Rolenun> hooloovoo! :D
[23:30:08] <Rolenun> or not..... :)
[23:32:57] <hooloovoo> Rolenun!! :D
[23:33:18] <Rolenun> :D
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[23:38:15] <Deepa> Japje, did you know that CyaNox is kinda lame?
[23:38:43] <Mononoke> Deepa: watch out the grumpy old man is kinda sneeky :P
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[23:39:28] <Deepa> Well he can barely move
[23:40:25] <CyaNox> Deepa: Japje knows I'm lame ... far longer then you have known me.
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[23:42:26] <Deepa> I still don't see why you utterly refuse to relay a kiss from me
[23:43:06] <Mononoke> wait Deepa is girl?
[23:43:47] * Darker_Dreams sits back and waits for Mononoke's head to explode.
[23:44:00] <Mononoke> Darker_Dreams: =]
[23:44:25] <Mononoke> Darker_Dreams: my head will explode today but not from that
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[23:49:29] <Deepa> I sure am
[23:49:31] <Deepa> Or atleast now I am
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[23:50:20] * Mononoke would try answering "let me check" but doen't know anything about Deepa so remains silent =]
[23:51:13] * Rolenun grins at the mona lisa.... :)
[23:51:29] <Deepa> I freaked out some people though
[23:52:37] <Rolenun> I can believe it. It doesnt take much to make Mononoke's head explode :D
[23:52:57] <Mononoke> Rolenun: yeah 6hours of math study
[23:53:13] <Rolenun> hehe
[23:55:59] <Mononoke> bu I have to admit now I understand what it is limit and derivation
[23:57:22] <Rolenun> it took 6 hours to learn two basic math concepts.... um, congratulations on a speedy study session! :D
[23:59:00] <Rolenun> I'm just giving you a hard time hehe. anyone that wants to learn math should learn as much as they can :)
[23:59:22] <Mononoke> =]
[23:59:39] <Mononoke> yeah but I have to get to taylor's series/polynom dunno how's it called in english
[23:59:58] <Mononoke> what is quite road still (3~4 hours cca)